How many companies have lost their ISO 9001 registration involuntarily?

[qualeety]

I am wondering, how many companies lost their ISO registrations involuntarily?

Is there a website for such companies?

Just curious.......

 

[Aaron Lupo]

I am wondering, how many companies lost their ISO registrations involuntarily?

Is there a website for such companies?

Just curious.......

I know of a couple that I have recommened be pulled, however, I have not worked for a company that had it pulled, came close once but we got our act togther just in time.

 

[BadgerMan]

I would be interested in how many have "lost" their certs voluntarily too.

 

[qualeety]

interesting

I guess no one publishes such records, huh

 

[Denis9001 - 2007]

The CB (in UK) gives the accreditation body various monthly reports. One of them is for certificates withdrawn. The CB also maintains a register of decertified companies. Whether this information is collated and made publicly available I don't know. The list doesn't normally say whether voluntarily or not but should give a reason for withdrawal.

The problem is, the statistics (if available) would be misleading. If a company receives a major NCR very often they will cancel their registration. So you would class this as volountary when really it's not. Statisitics on major NCR's issued would probably be a better indication. The accreditation does monitor NCR's issued as an indicator of audit(or) efficiency.

Given that CB's don't withdrawn certification (they suspend it) without giving the client the opportunity to fix the problem means that nobody loses certification except those unwilling or unable to take corrective actions.

 

[Carl Keller]

The last real data they gave was back in 2000 (10th cycle report available on the ISO website)

Canada had 29 that were pulled because they failed their audit and the US had 17. Those are TOTALS up to that date! Most of them probably didn't really care at that point.

Considering Canada had 11,500 registrations and the US had 35,000 at that time, I think we are all pretty safe as long as we pay the invoice.


Carl-

 

[fuzzy]

It was a choice...voluntary, I suppose

I had the honor of being a newly-hired first-time QA mgr. for a relocated business in my hometown with a brandie -new factory close (1.5 miles)to my house. "Heaven" you might say...Well after about a month of operation, in comes the registrar for the ISO 9002 surveillance / relocation audit and we don't make it through the first three hours (three major NC's). The auditors correctly halt the audit, and meet with the President and give us the choice of a full-blown system (registration level) audit within two weeks, or we could voluntarily(sp) surrender our certificate and the auditors could spend the remainder of the audit as a "gap analysis". Correctly, the President chose the latter option (not without some muttering about what was I [Mr.QA Mgr.] doing for the last 2 mos.?). Quite painful at the time, but also a great learning tool for an organization. Rebuilt the system, found a new registrar, went through the pre-assessment / assessment cycle and became ISO 9002 registered again after about 8 mos. The company was and still is predominantly an automotive industry supplier and they have maintained their registration in various formats in the years since my departure.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Can we see transparency?

The system is not transparent. IRCA has recently invited suggestions on how to make the accreditation and certification processes more valuable. One of the suggestions I sent them was to require the Accreditation Bodies to have a real-time, on-line searchable database of organizations that are certified by a registrar under their accredited scheme. Similar to the OASIS database maintained by SAE for the Aerospace suppliers.

Such database, should list not only certified organizations, but also suspended and revoked certificates. From a technological standpoint, it would be an easy feat. Politically, maybe not.

If all IAF signatory AB's had something like that, we could easily envision a TRUE worldwide database and the "ISO Survey" would be so much more easily compiled....

 

[Carl Keller]

The IRCA and ISO are never, ever, EVER going to be open and honest with us about the registration data. There are way too many registrars and companies with their hands in the cookie jar to let that happen.

The radio silence during the 2000 revision change was deafening. They didn't want to report ANYTHING because a huge number of companies were waiting until the last minute to see what everyone else was going to do. It finally got to the point that several insiders admitted that it was physically impossible for registrars to perform all the audits that needed to be done by the deadline. They were handing out certs like Santa hands out candy canes.

Any one of us on this forum could set up a database on a laptop in about 3 hours that would suffice.

All that needs to be done is each accredited registrar e-mail the details as stated on each cert.

It is literally a one person job.

So why hasn't ISO done it?

 

[vanputten]

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Try the above 2 websites. I have not surfed these websites in depth but you may find the data you are looking for.

ISO doesn't register anyone. ISO did not hand out any certificates like candy. There is the world of standards and the world of conformity assessment. ISO is NOT in the business of conformity assessment. And keep in mind that ISO is 99% product standards. Quality Management Systems stuff is a tiny portion of their scope.

Honestly, I do not think ISO cared too much about organizations that procrastinated on their transition from 1994 to ISO 9001:2000. That is an issue for the world of conformity assessment. People confuse conformity assessment with ISO all of the time. Also, there are the users of standards (implementers.) 3 distinct parties. People complain all of the time about ISO when often their grudge is against the assessors of conformity or the inabilities of organizations that implement a standard.

If you want data about registrations, complain to the conformity assessment world. Complain to IATF, ANAB, etc. Complain to the Accreditation Boards of all of the countries around the world. If you want worldwide data, then have that one person (It is a one person job) contact all of the worldwide accreditation bodies of the world and get the data.

Now since it is so easy, when a company gets TS 16949 registered, and this includes an ISO 9001:2000 certificate, how do the Accreditation Bodies count that? That one person can set the formulas for all of the reporting worldwide. They can decide how to count all of the registrations and pulled registrations.

Regards, Dirk