How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000?

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Fenway Frank

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Howdy folks,
Question regarding ISO 9001:2000. How much longer can a company declare registration to the 2000 version? ISO 9001:2008 came out in, well, 2008. It seems odd to me to see numerous firms continuing to declare registration to the 2000 version. Of course, it could just be that they don't have the money to change their signs and letter heads. Registrars are pricey...
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Doug
 
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AndyN

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to the 2000 version?

Well, Doug...

Are you gauging this by seeing a certificate? If, as you say, you're seeing it on signs and letter heads, then that's not a good place to start. Heck, we even have trucks running around here in Detroit which say ISO 9002....so who knows?

Not all Registrars are 'pricey', btw....
 
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John Martinez

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Fenway Frank said:
Howdy folks,
Question regarding ISO 9001:2000. How much longer can a company declare registration to the 2000 version? ISO 9001:2008 came out in, well, 2008. It seems odd to me to see numerous firms continuing to declare registration to the 2000 version. Of course, it could just be that they don't have the money to change their signs and letter heads. Registrars are pricey...
Domo,
Doug
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In theory, anyone can claim "compliance" to anything. All ISO 9001:2000 accredited certificates expire November 15, 2010. After that date, anyone claiming to be "certified" to that standard is either ignorant of this fact or perhaps one of those "self certified" read "compliant" companies. Who knows.

Like AndyN said, I still see people claiming to be certified to ISO 9002, not only on trucks, but calibration certificates.
 
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JaneB

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Certification to ISO 9001:2000 is no longer valid. Can you stop people 'claiming it' or failing to update their websites? It'd be nice.

Fenway Frank said:
Registrars are pricey...
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If you mean they charge for their services, yes, they do. Of course they do. Show me any business that doesn't charge for their services or products.
'Pricy'? :confused: Compared to what?
 
John Broomfield

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Fenway Frank said:
Howdy folks,
Question regarding ISO 9001:2000. How much longer can a company declare registration to the 2000 version? ISO 9001:2008 came out in, well, 2008. It seems odd to me to see numerous firms continuing to declare registration to the 2000 version. Of course, it could just be that they don't have the money to change their signs and letter heads. Registrars are pricey...
Domo,
Doug
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Doug,

Save money by dropping the year of the standard from your flags, banners, brochures and website. Reference to ISO 9001 is enough. This may increase the money marketing has for certification (see below).

Quietly update your system to conform to ISO 9001:2008 so you are not referring to an obsolete standard. It's a breeze.

Invest in certification if justified by the marketing benefits only. :jawdrop:

Your system should not depend on its registrar for its effectiveness otherwise the certification is not independent.

John
 
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nickxp

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Sorry if this is off topic a bit but this looks like the best thread for my question. I currently have a small business that is ISO 9002 reg... We lost our main customer and are going to have to shut down production until we dig up enough business to restart it. Which I am in the auto component business so that could be a 6 month sale cycle to start up production with a new customer. My question is I my next 6 month ISO audit coming up and dont want to bust out the cash to have it done while I have no profits comings in. Will I have to totally go thru the cert processes again if I dont have this audit done? Can I put my status on hold until we restart production? Any help or advice would be great thanks
Nick
 
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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

nickxp said:
Sorry if this is off topic a bit but this looks like the best thread for my question. I currently have a small business that is ISO 9002 reg... We lost our main customer and are going to have to shut down production until we dig up enough business to restart it. Which I am in the auto component business so that could be a 6 month sale cycle to start up production with a new customer. My question is I my next 6 month ISO audit coming up and dont want to bust out the cash to have it done while I have no profits comings in. Will I have to totally go thru the cert processes again if I dont have this audit done? Can I put my status on hold until we restart production? Any help or advice would be great thanks
Nick
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ISO 9002 has not been used for registration for quite some time...ever since the ISO 9001-2000 standard took affect, and now that has been superceded by ISO 9001-2008. So, I have a couple of questions for you. Who is registering you to ISO 9002? Are they an accredited registrar?

Many of the registrars will allow you to choose an audit frequency (most not to exceed 12 months), so you may be able to increase the frequency. We started out at 6 months, and have moved to 9 months. We have about a 50/50 split on wanting to go to 12 months.
 
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AndyN

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

nickxp said:
Sorry if this is off topic a bit but this looks like the best thread for my question. I currently have a small business that is ISO 9002 reg... We lost our main customer and are going to have to shut down production until we dig up enough business to restart it. Which I am in the auto component business so that could be a 6 month sale cycle to start up production with a new customer. My question is I my next 6 month ISO audit coming up and dont want to bust out the cash to have it done while I have no profits comings in. Will I have to totally go thru the cert processes again if I dont have this audit done? Can I put my status on hold until we restart production? Any help or advice would be great thanks
Nick
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Nick:

If, as you say, you're ISO 9002 registered, then you need to change your Certification Body! Most customers know that a 9002 certificate is now invalid. A CB who would perpetuate such a situation isn't worth paying for any service. It's bogus and your customers know it!

As to if you should maintain any registration - that's purely a strategic decision on your part. If you can be sure that you won't miss opportunities that being registered offer, then delay it until you can afford it. BTW - you will have to be fully recertified - indeed you may have to do some major changes to what you had before, so it's not something to take on lightly. If you consider it 'advertising costs' which may attract more than just automotive (who mainly need ISO/TS anyway) it may be worth the cost. Take a look at what state grants may be available to you for training, implementation etc., too...

A certificate has to be current to be valid - there's no 'holding pattern' for the certification.
 
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nickxp

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Sorry for the confusion... My Cert is ISO 9001... But thank you for all the information. I think I am going to try to push back the audit to a 12 month audit... To give us an extra 6 months to get things back moving
 
Crusader

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Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

John Martinez said:
All ISO 9001:2000 accredited certificates expire November 15, 2010.
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Getting back to this topic:
We have a new supplier and their ISO 9001:2000 certificate states:
Date of Issue: 18 July 2008
Valid Until: 17 July 2011

Curious, your thoughts?
 
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