How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000?

[John Broomfield]

Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Getting back to this topic:
We have a new supplier and their ISO 9001:2000 certificate states:
Date of Issue: 18 July 2008
Valid Until: 17 July 2011

Curious, your thoughts?

Crusader,

Technically a problem but practically please consider the fact that 2008 included no new requirements according to ISO/TC176.

John

 

[Crusader]

Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Crusader,

Technically a problem but practically please consider the fact that 2008 included no new requirements according to ISO/TC 207.

John

Yes, but....can a registrar make that call? They are the ones that printed that cert and issued it!

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Getting back to this topic:
We have a new supplier and their ISO 9001:2000 certificate states:
Date of Issue: 18 July 2008
Valid Until: 17 July 2011

Curious, your thoughts?

Potentially a bogus certificate or a CB that does not pay attention to the certs they issue.

Technically a problem but practically please consider the fact that 2008 included no new requirements according to ISO/TC 207.

I am sure you mean TC176.

 

[John Broomfield]

Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Yes, but....can a registrar make that call? They are the ones that printed that cert and issued it!

Crusader,

It does not bother me for the reason I stated above.

John

 

[Crusader]

Here is the cert...

 

[John Broomfield]

Crusader,

You can check out the validity of the CBs accreditation here.

I am not sure if their accreditation includes the scope of what you are buying from your supplier.

If it is kosher then I would not worry any further.

John

 

[Crusader]

Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

Potentially a bogus certificate or a CB that does not pay attention to the certs they issue.

I am sure you mean TC176.

Crusader,

It does not bother me for the reason I stated above.

John

I guess I will have to get this TC spec. It just seems wrong that a registrar can knowingly violate the expiration of an ISO standard. It shouldn't matter if there were extensive changes or simply clarification changes.

Okay, I have ranted for this month and now I can step back and accept.

 

[AndyN]

Crusader,

You can check out the validity of the CBs accreditation here.

I am not sure if their accreditation includes the scope of what you are buying from your supplier.

If it is kosher then I would not worry any further.

John

Woa there! Is this an oversight by a CB on one certificate? Let's not forget, 2000 was obsolete 3 years ago and CBs were given until last year to transition certs. It's not, in my mind at least, the technical content of the standard and the burden on the client to upgrade their system it's one of diligence by the CB, and lord knows we see some pretty poor practices in that regard. One might ask, what other things are they letting slide?

 

[John Broomfield]

Woa there! Is this an oversight by a CB on one certificate? Let's not forget, 2000 was obsolete 3 years ago and CBs were given until last year to transition certs. It's not, in my mind at least, the technical content of the standard and the burden on the client to upgrade their system it's one of diligence by the CB, and lord knows we see some pretty poor practices in that regard. One might ask, what other things are they letting slide?

Andy,

Remove the year from all references to the standard in the system and then add no new requirements, what is the burden?

Admittedly it seems sloppy but I am fairly sure Crusader has more important things to worry about (although I would check out the scope).

I am not saying the same for those of us trying to uphold the standards of certification like your goodself.

John

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: How much longer can a company declare registration to ISO 9001:2000 version?

I guess I will have to get this TC spec. It just seems wrong that a registrar can knowingly violate the expiration of an ISO standard. It shouldn't matter if there were extensive changes or simply clarification changes.

Okay, I have ranted for this month and now I can step back and accept.

Crusader, the CB CAN NOT violate the IAF rule which states

Validity of certifications to ISO 9001:2000
One year after publication of ISO 9001:2008 all accredited certifications issued (new certifications or recertifications) shall be to ISO 9001:2008.
Twenty four months after publication by ISO of ISO 9001:2008, any existing certification issued to ISO 9001:2000 shall not be valid.

and maintain an accredited certificate for ISO 9001:2000. Based on the certificate that you attached, the CB in question is the one with the website http://www.dascertification.co.uk/. According to ISO 17021, they should keep a directory of certified clients:

8.3 Directory of certified clients
The certification body shall maintain and make publicly accessible, or provide upon request, by any means it chooses, a directory of valid certifications that as a minimum shall show the name, relevant normative document, scope and geographical location (e.g. city and country) for each certified client (or the geographic location of the headquarters and any sites within the scope of a multi-site certification).

Instead, they state in their website

DAS Certificates Validation
Please contact the local office who can make the information available on request.

Personally, I believe that they are violating the intent of the ISO 17021 requirement above. It is up to UKAS (their accreditation body) to decide if their provision satisfy (or not) the requirement for a directory to be made available.

If you REALLY want to pursue this, you could contact their China office (since the certificate in question is for a supplier in China) and inquire if the certificate is legit, or not.

Believe it or not, there are bogus (i.e. counterfeit) certificates out there. Or, it could the case where the supplier has had their certificate "upgraded" to ISO 9001:2008 and failed to realize that and update their website.