How to create an Audit Checklist using a Turtle Diagram

SheiLaJP

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Hello everyone. I never thought elsmar cove is back on track. I am so happy.

I hope that you guys will help me with my concern.

I am a Lead Auditor of our company for 2 years now. I am developing myself and my team in getting an efficient way of creating an Audit checklist. I have found out during our training that one of the best technique is the "Turtle Diagram". I've been doing practices as an auditor together with my co-auditors however I am thinking of other way to get it. Does anyone have an idea on the best way to create an Audit Checklist using Turtle Diagram?
 
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JoShmo

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Turtles are for register auditrs who don't know how to audit a process. They aren't "best". Study your own procvess description and make your own list.
 

howste

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Turtles are for register auditrs who don't know how to audit a process.
That's one opinion. I think they can be very useful to remind even competent auditors what aspects of the process they should be looking at.

Here's a link to one attached by another member here in another post: http://elsmar.com/Forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4482

If I use a turtle diagram I find it useful to make the center block much larger to include more information about the process. Additional pages can be used for notes and evidence that don't fit on the page.
 

Golfman25

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Turtles are one of the cornerstones of our system. On each turtle is the listing of the procedures and forms applicable to the process. The auditor can then sit down with the turtle, procedures, and forms and create his/her checklist.
 

BoardGuy

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Turtles can be a very useful tool if you fully understand their use and limits. I have watched over the years CB auditors pull out their turtle forms to be completed during the audit and within first half day they seem to disappear. You may find it more beneficial to use process maps.
 
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JoShmo

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That's one opinion. I think they can be very useful to remind even competent auditors what aspects of the process they should be looking at.

Here's a link to one attached by another member here in another post: http://elsmar.com/Forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4482

If I use a turtle diagram I find it useful to make the center block much larger to include more information about the process. Additional pages can be used for notes and evidence that don't fit on the page.
I've used them extensively and they're rubbish when it comes to considering the "interactions". I've seen more confusion about what goes in what box that, as others have stated, a process map is much more useful. As with alot of thigns in life, "experst" cofused form filling with effective auditor planning - something which register auditors get little time to do and IA's need to spend MORE time doing. Has anyone noticed that it's ONLY Plexus who think they are the way to do audits and promote them?
 

howste

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It's been said that a tool is only as good as the person who uses it.

You can give any audit tool to someone who doesn't understand interactions and they will fail to audit the interactions effectively.
 

LUV-d-4UM

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Turtles are for register auditrs who don't know how to audit a process. They aren't "best". Study your own procvess description and make your own list.
Any tool can be the "best" tool if you understand how to apply it in a process audit. External/internal auditors also use "football" tool which is very effective in auditing to the root cause not just "hacking the leaves".:yes:
 

LUV-d-4UM

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Hello everyone. I never thought elsmar cove is back on track. I am so happy.

I hope that you guys will help me with my concern.

I am a Lead Auditor of our company for 2 years now. I am developing myself and my team in getting an efficient way of creating an Audit checklist. I have found out during our training that one of the best technique is the "Turtle Diagram". I've been doing practices as an auditor together with my co-auditors however I am thinking of other way to get it. Does anyone have an idea on the best way to create an Audit Checklist using Turtle Diagram?
I have observed an auditor who does not even carry a checklist. He has a little note book and after reviewing the work instruction (speed reading) he goes out there and audit the process like playing a "football" with the questions he asks the operators about the process. I notice he does a little turtle which sometimes have more legs that branches out like a Fishbone. Someday I would like to be as good as this auditor. There's a lot to learn about auditing that adds value to the client.
 

dhakadmilind

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It is really good to discuss how turtle dia can be used for internal audit.
If i want to work on it indetails then i will make one check sheet with some questions as below
1)What are the Input defined
2)What are the out put ,are measureable,are get monitored,any non confirmance then CA & PA?
3)What are resources needed,what is the competency required for Man ,enviroment ?
4)Tools are indentied? tool reports,etc
5)Does process efficiency and effectivess parameter are defined and get monitored . Any CA*PA on non compliance
6)HOw out put get transfered and communicated to next process ETC.
YOu can update such question in the check sheet as you are more doing more audit by using it.
Thanks
 
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