How to define QMS certification scope statement?

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Roody5617

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Hi guys, I have some confusion in certification registeration scope statement,please help me, thanks!
the processes in my company include CNC machining, metal-sheet and assembly, before our company just manufactured components for commercial printer, the ISO9001 certificate scope is defined as " Machining and sales of components for commercial printer", right now,more and more customers with different products are introduced into my company, so I have to extend the certificate scope.because my company just manufacture components for customers, and the processes of all components are similiar, so I want to just define the scope as " Machining, metal-sheet,assembly and sales of Precision Mechnical components" , the statement of what product the components are used for is excluded, but the certificate body does not agree,they said I must specifically stated what products the components were used, and the fee of adding each product will occure.
please give some advice, whether my statement is compliant with ISO requirement,how to better define the statement. thanks!
 
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Try ...
" Design and Manufacture of precision machined parts, sheet metal parts, for electrical and electronic equipments "
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" Supply of precision machined parts, sheet metal parts, for electrical and electronic equipments "
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AndyN

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Your scope is fine. I'd drop the "sales" part - I've yet to find an organization that doesn't sell and have never, in 25 years, found it necessary to include sales in the scope.

Also, find another CB. It's useful to discuss scope with the CB, but it's NOT their call to be so prescriptive.

Beware of "design" if you don't control the specs and "supply" doesn't mean YOU make them.
 
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Roody5617

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Thanks for your posts, also I think my new revised statement is clear and specific, I suspect the CB just want to charge me more fee, because every time you add a new product, you should pay some fee. for exemple, if I started to produce parts for commercial server, the CB will ask me to define the scope statement as "Machining and sales of components for commercial used printer,server", so I have to pay for new added product.
The ISO criteria of scope statement just provide a guideline, not stipulate how you must define the certificate scope.
Design is not included in my business, customer is responsible for design, I just contract manufacture parts as per customer SPEC.
 
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AndyN

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somashekar said:
You could very well use "Contract manufacture" word within your scope statement...
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Probably insufficient to describe what they do. Manufacture cover too broad a range of activities when they do machining and assembly. Don't forget that a scope statement is a "store front". They should represent their capabilities accurately.
 
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Roody5617

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maybe, it's better to cancel the modifier as "Machining, metal-sheet, assembly and sales of precision mechanical parts", which is much more universal, now matter whah products my mechanical parts are used for, dose it conform to ISO criteria?:lol::lol:
 
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Roody5617 said:
maybe, it's better to cancel the modifier as "Machining, metal-sheet, assembly and sales of precision mechanical parts", which is much more universal, now matter whah products my mechanical parts are used for, dose it conform to ISO criteria?:lol::lol:
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Try this: "Precision machining, sheet metal fabrication and assembly". I see such a scope on a regular basis. Drop sales. Why? Because who doesn't sell? Otherwise you should - to be clear - add "purchasing" too. And then training and so on...

Just use my example. Simples!:cool:
 
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dkavanaugh73

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I too have a question on scope with a possibility of an exclusion. We manufacture air conditioning units for buses. Our design team is in Germany but our plant is in the US. Being we do not design the units in our facility or in NA, only assemble, can I put in the exclusion to design into our scope? Also, how would I tie our certificate back to our corporate office in Germany? Would they have to tie their cert to our location as well?
 
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AndyN

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dkavanaugh73 said:
I too have a question on scope with a possibility of an exclusion. We manufacture air conditioning units for buses. Our design team is in Germany but our plant is in the US. Being we do not design the units in our facility or in NA, only assemble, can I put in the exclusion to design into our scope? Also, how would I tie our certificate back to our corporate office in Germany? Would they have to tie their cert to our location as well?
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You don't share a QMS? Or certification? From my 25 years in the certification area, your scope should probably read:

The manufacture of air conditioning systems for automotive application, to designs provided by *parent company name here*
 
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