How to integrate ISO/TS 16949 & ISO9001 Quality Systems - Plastic Injection Mold

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hepereira-1

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Hey everybody.

I need help about how to integrate two quality system and what documents I must keep integrated.

One system is plastic injection mold for automotive parts and another for industrial pails.

Regards.

Helton
 
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Jen Kirley

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Re: How to integrate ISO/TS 16949 with ISO9001: for process plastic injection mold

Welcome to the Cove, Helton!

Since TS 16949 includes every clause of ISO 9001, I can't imagine implementing separate systems.

However, not everything you make needs to be covered under the TS scope. Auditors and customers will not likely expect a PPAP or control plan for a pail, and I would push back if they did. If, however the same tools are used to make both these product lines you can expect to set in place a system that will cover TS requirements, such as MSA for that tool/ set of tools making automotive products.

Does this help?
 
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DrM2u

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To add a little to Jennifer's reply ... The scope of the TS standard is strictly automotive parts and components. Therefore you must indicate to the auditor what parts are automotive and what parts are not. At the same time you do not have to apply all the TS-specific requirements (i.e. PPAP) to the non-automotive parts unless you indicate so in your procedures. On the other hand, it is not a bad idea to apply the requirements across all products. It helps with product quality planning, process control, customer satisfaction, internal confusion, best practices, etc.
 

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Hey everybody.

I need help about how to integrate two quality system and what documents I must keep integrated.

One system is plastic injection mold for automotive parts and another for industrial pails.

Regards.

Helton
As to mandatory procedures, you could think to include ISO TS requirements into those that apply to the automotive parts.
For other quality documents ( FMEA, Control plan, MSA, PPAP etc.) you could apply them only to the automotive parts.
As to the management processes, you shall ensure that all ISO TS requirments are met. I am thinking , for example, to the mgmt review that has additional clauses with respect to ISO 9001.
As said from other covers, you could also think to apply ISO TS to the whole QMS, including also the non automotive products. This is an evaluation of yours looking at resources as well as pro's and con's.:bigwave:
 
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hepereira-1

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Re: How to integrate ISO/TS 16949 with ISO9001: for process plastic injection mold

Thanks everyone for the comments. I think my case is interesting because we are TS certified and we need an extension to ISO9001 for a line of proprietary products (item 7.3) that are pails.
 

Jen Kirley

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You are in better company than you may think. In my place of work we make very few automotive products. But our sstem is TS 16949; we don't have, for example a separate training database that deals with certifications as per 6.2.2.2 for people doing something with automotive, and just a spreadsheet showing training to satisfy 6.2.2 for people making pails.

We do make FMEAs for the non-automotive products, having decided that it saves money from waste and so much is alike in processes doing both automotive and non-automotive.

However, we draw the line with PPAPs unless the customer requests them - and many do; and we can't be expected to produce a control plan for a non-automotive product.
 
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Fuzo1983

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Re: How to integrate ISO/TS 16949 with ISO9001: for process plastic injection mold

Hi,

I am new at this forum. I am looking for help regarding injection molders duties and their levels. (Level1, Level2, etc.) Could you or anyone guide me on which direction should I go? Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Fuzo
 
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DrM2u

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Re: How to integrate ISO/TS 16949 with ISO9001: for process plastic injection mold

Welcome to the Forum, Fuzo. Your question is a little vague, but I'll try to give some guidance. The requirements of TS 16949 are the same for all manufacturers of automotive components regardless if the parts are made of metal, paper or plastic. The customer-specific requirements vary in function of each customer's needs. I assume that the Levels question is about supplier levels and not PPAP. The TS requirements are the mandatory for Level/Tier 1 suppliers. There is a requirement in clause 7.4 that implies (more or less) that the Tier 1 suppliers 'push' down the requirements of TS to Tier 2 suppliers ... and the wheel keeps on rolling down from tier to tier. So, if your organization is a Tier 2 (or lower) supplier, you might or might not be subjected to implementation/registration or at least compliance with the requirements of TS. Hope it helps and corrections from other Covers are more than welcome.
 
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