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Hunting and Fishing Thread - With Poll

Do you: ?

  • Hunt

    Votes: 14 28.0%
  • Fish

    Votes: 21 42.0%
  • Wish you find the time

    Votes: 8 16.0%
  • Farthest thing from my mind

    Votes: 14 28.0%
  • Do wish you had more time to do either?

    Votes: 23 46.0%

  • Total voters
    50

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
Ever shoot for pheasant over a harvested corn field and surprise a flock of geese gorging themselves on the spilled corn kernels? Lead shot is lead shot. Birds don't respect fences when it comes to food. When these birds look for something hard to put in their craw to grind the food, they don't restrict themselves to ponds and streams.
 
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Craig H.

Wes Bucey said:
Ever shoot for pheasant over a harvested corn field and surprise a flock of geese gorging themselves on the spilled corn kernels? Lead shot is lead shot. Birds don't respect fences when it comes to food. When these birds look for something hard to put in their craw to grind the food, they don't restrict themselves to ponds and streams.

Its been years since my Dad took my brothers and I pheasant hunting in rural Illinois, hunts I fondly remember. I don't remember any geese though your point is well taken. Sounds to me that you are advocating an alternative to lead shot for all hunting?
 
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GST123

Where did the fishing guys go???

Hi Guys and Gals,

Just wanted to know where all the fishing people are. I thought I would post some pictures from a couple of my trips into the Gulf of Mexico here along the Alabama coast. Thought you might enjoy them.
I hope the atachments work???

1. The fight is on
2. 110# Yellowfin Tuna
3. 35# Bull Dolphin (MahiMahi not Flipper)
4. 45# King Mackeral later in the year in the Sertoma Tournament
5. Sending a well deserved beer to the captain up in the tuna tower

Oh Yeah, HAPPY MARDI GRAS !!!!
 

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Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
Craig H. said:
Its been years since my Dad took my brothers and I pheasant hunting in rural Illinois, hunts I fondly remember. I don't remember any geese though your point is well taken. Sounds to me that you are advocting an alternative to lead shot for all hunting?
Pretty much! If we really are the "sportsmen" (and sportswomen) we hold ourselves out to be, we should have some consideration for the sustainability of the creatures we hunt and fish.

In the total scope of things, ammo is one of the least expensive things about a hunt. I recall the breakfasts we used to have at a small restaurant at 5:00 am down the road from the farm where we hunted cost a lot more than the box of shells our whole party used in a day of hunting.

I'm pretty sure my guns didn't care whether I shot lead or steel. The birds were just as dead either way.

:topic: I recall reading recently in a brochure about raising American Bison (buffalo) the contention the eradication of the vast millions of buffalo in the United States was a planned result of a government program to deny a food source to Native American tribes in an effort to force them to vacate areas to make room for white settlers to immigrate and farm.

As real sportsmen, we must constantly be alert to various "wildlife management" schemes to discern the true reason underlying some of them which may have more to do with currying favor of politically connected agriculture, forestry, and mining company owners than of actually preserving the stock of wildlife. Even American Indian tribes seem more interested in getting new casino sites than in preserving wilderness and wildlife.
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
GST123 said:
Hi Guys and Gals,

Just wanted to know where all the fishing people are. I thought I would post some pictures from a couple of my trips into the Gulf of Mexico here along the Alabama coast. Thought you might enjoy them.
I hope the atachments work???

1. The fight is on
2. 110# Yellowfin Tuna
3. 35# Bull Dolphin (MahiMahi not Flipper)
4. 45# King Mackeral later in the year in the Sertoma Tournament
5. Sending a well deserved beer to the captain up in the tuna tower

Oh Yeah, HAPPY MARDI GRAS !!!!
OK! I'm envious. I'd even put up with "mal de mer" to spend a day in the sun and water to land ANY of these (even the beer!)
 
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Craig H.

Wes Bucey said:
Pretty much! If we really are the "sportsmen" (and sportswomen) we hold ourselves out to be, we should have some consideration for the sustainability of the creatures we hunt and fish.

In the total scope of things, ammo is one of the least expensive things about a hunt. I recall the breakfasts we used to have at a small restaurant at 5:00 am down the road from the farm where we hunted cost a lot more than the box of shells our whole party used in a day of hunting.

I'm pretty sure my guns didn't care whether I shot lead or steel. The birds were just as dead either way.

:topic: I recall reading recently in a brochure about raising American Bison (buffalo) the contention the eradication of the vast millions of buffalo in the United States was a planned result of a government program to deny a food source to Native American tribes in an effort to force them to vacate areas to make room for white settlers to immigrate and farm.

As real sportsmen, we must constantly be alert to various "wildlife management" schemes to discern the true reason underlying some of them which may have more to do with currying favor of politically connected agriculture, forestry, and mining company owners than of actually preserving the stock of wildlife. Even American Indian tribes seem more interested in getting new casino sites than in preserving wilderness and wildlife.

Wes,

I knew our thinking was close on this issue. I don't hunt birds much, except for turkey. I will try to find alternative turkey shot, but if my last couple of years are any indication the chances of my polluting with lead shot or feathers are pretty slim.

Now, is there a viable alternative for rifles and rifled shotgun slugs?
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
Craig H. said:
Wes,

I knew our thinking was close on this issue. I don't hunt birds much, except for turkey. I will try to find alternative turkey shot, but if my last couple of years are any indication the chances of my polluting with lead shot or feathers are pretty slim.

Now, is there a viable alternative for rifles and rifled shotgun slugs?
Yep. This is a tougher proposition and not addressed as much in environmental issues because the larger bullets and slugs are not as easily ingested as the shotgun pellets.

Here's one alternate:
Non-Lead Bullets - Development of non-toxic replacement materials for lead in small arms projectiles employing powder metallurgy techniques. Composite simulants for lead were developed by binding heavy hard metals such as tungsten together with soft light metals such as tin or zinc. The density and properties of the bullets with the non-lead composites mimic those of lead producing no change in ballistic performance. The impact behavior of the composite materials has been altered through composition, starting materials, and processing. In addition, the density of the composite simulant can be altered to adjust the dimensions of a projectile or weight distribution within a bullet, either enhancing or diminishing stability and performance. This technology was transferred from the laboratory to industry in one year.

Other alternates include using jacketed bullets for brass or tungsten bullets, but they do more "piercing" and less impacting. Some of the jacketed bullets (teflon coated) are called "cop killers" because they can pierce some lightweight "bulletproof" vests, but then MOST rifle rounds (jacketed or unjacketed) will also pierce lightweight vests. The original point of jacketing of some alternate bullets was to prevent fouling of the rifling in the guns and had nothing to do with increased penetration. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon_coated_bullet)
 
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Craig H.

Wes,

I will have to look into it, but at one time, if I remember correctly, here we were (are?) not allowed to use jacketed bullets. I know military-spec were not to be used.

The reason for this is expansion upon impact.

This is the first I have heard of the alloys, though. Any idea which brand names are using that technology?
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
Craig H. said:
Wes,

I will have to look into it, but at one time, if I remember correctly, here we were (are?) not allowed to use jacketed bullets. I know military-spec were not to be used.

The reason for this is expansion upon impact.

This is the first I have heard of the alloys, though. Any idea which brand names are using that technology?
Here's two.
Google "non-lead bullets"
http://www.frangiblebullets.com
http://www.barnesbullets.com/
 
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QualityPhD

Frangible lead free ammo is the way to go! There is a supplier that is ISO registered, manufactures and sells to the general public. If you are interested, check out International Cartridge in Reynoldsville (burg?), PA

www.iccammo.com
 
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