Informational I would like to get some Internal Auditor Training

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kdburkh0214

#21
"death by Powerpoint"

That's exactly what it was! I was all but snoring the entire time. They basically just read the standard verbatum and talked about 'writing GREAT CARs' but never actually told you how to write great CARs.
 
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mattador78

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#22
Thank you for clarifying. I'm actually fairly new to the Quality world. The Quality Mgr. at my previous company up and quit and upper management decided 'Hey, Kayla is kind of smart, let her figure it out.' So I took a class with the registrar and I feel like I didn't learn a whole lot. I assumed it was because I had no idea what the heck I was even learning. I'm excited for the AS 9100 course. Hopefully, I'll gain a little bit more out of this one.
Sounds very similar to my scenario. Which was sort of like the MD walking past saying Matt put your hand up and well done you have a new job. As a former soldier I should have remembered the edict of never volunteer but I was caught of guard. To be fair im loving it but its a steep learning curve at times thankfully I have support from my MD's and ive worked here over 20 years and know them well enough and they know me so its a good environment in which they are letting me learn in
 
#23
Exactly. This is the result of organizations who have no clue about what REAL training is and don't know what it takes to be a real trainer who hang out a shingle offering training, because someone knows Powerpoint!
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#24
Exactly. This is the result of organizations who have no clue about what REAL training is and don't know what it takes to be a real trainer who hang out a shingle offering training, because someone knows Powerpoint!
Ever since requirements for trainers were lowered almost to the gutter it appears that's the best that can be expected
 

John Broomfield

Staff member
Super Moderator
#28
Trainers used to become accredited when competent and supported by a conforming management system.

Now training organizations are certified when their management system conforms to the requirements.

For a system manager I’d recommend 40 hours of certified lead auditor training that includes the development of process-based management systems and the assessment of risk.
 

Eredhel

Quality Manager
#29
If internal auditors received training in the past, are they required to attend training again for ISO 9001:2015?
The standard doesn't get that specific, so no. It's up to your organization to determine what's needed. However I definitely benefited from going through another internal auditor class when the new revision hit. Although my first one was internal auditor for ISO 9001:2008 and my second one was lead auditor for AS9100D/ISO9001:2015.

But just like anything, get the right instructor. I was very fortunate that the local votech had a class for my 2008 internal class that came from a larger city's well established courses. He was awesome. My AS9100D/ISO9001:2015 was decent but the instructor wasn't nearly as good.,
 
#30
If internal auditors received training in the past, are they required to attend training again for ISO 9001:2015?
So, auditing hasn't changed even if the standard requirements have. I'd ask yourself this question: "Do I want my internal auditors to be competent in ISO 9001:2015?" If you think that's what it takes, then devise a method of getting them to that point and test them. FWIW, I don't believe internal auditors MUST be competent in the standard. I believe they should be a) competent auditors and b) be competent in YOUR business process(es) or some of them.
 
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