IAB and ANAB - Differences between these accreditation schemes?

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Madfox

#31
Quick picking on the ANAB-unaccredited registrars, please!

Please, be kind, evidently they're very busy.
If you look at the cert it took almost a year from "original approval" to "cert issuance." So, a revised cert should be completed by October of 2007. (It seems some of that administrative time counted against the original cert's duration because it expires in less than a year, though I don't know why a 3/08/06 cert expires on 3/06/07...
TS says original date minus one day...that would be 3/07/07!)
http://www.flatoutgroup.com/gaskets/ISOCertification.pdf

Tread lightly, this company's cert has alot of official looking stuff on it:
a) an IAB Cert #
b) an ANAB Cert #
c) an IRCA Cert #
d) Verisys Cert #
(which happens to be a fancy re-statement of the calendar date...hope they don't have to issue two certs in one day)

(Also, two official-sounding people are named at the bottom, but only one signature, and it's the product of a word processor. I won't say anything if you won't.)

The madder Madfox
 
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#32
Yesterday in this press release it is stated that ANAB performed the certification audit of the US branch of an automotive manufacturer.
:topic: A quote from the press release:
Certification to the standard [ISO 14001] enhances environmental performance and compliance to legislated requirements designed to reduce environmental liability exposure, provide a dynamic structural mechanism for quality environmental management, and increase customer confidence that environmental risks associated with products or services purchased are effectively managed.
It reads like the person who wrote it was hit in the head with a "dynamic structural mechanism" as a child. :biglaugh:
 

Sidney Vianna

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#34
Welcome on board!
Thanks for the welcome, but I have been in this bandwagon for over 12 years now. It just so happens that I have to thread this lightly.

The best one-paragraph description of the dysfunctional situation we have was offered by Mr. Simon Feary, from IRCA.

Free markets, an over-abundance of providers and the voluntary nature of certification have allowed short-term commercial interests to exploit opportunities offered by naive markets and complicit or disinterested governments. But put another way, simply and bluntly, accreditation has failed to do its job adequately and the certification product has leaked credibility.
 

Sidney Vianna

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http://www.qualitydigest.com/currentmag/news.shtml#8

ANAB Trademark Lawsuit Still in Dispute

A complex and long-running lawsuit alleging trademark infringement--among a host of other complaints--is still working its way through the federal district court system.
The Registrar Accreditation Board (which became the ANSI-RAB National Accreditation Program--ANAB--in 2005) filed suit against Stephen Keneally and his American Global Standards registrar company in 2003 over Keneally's use of RAB's logo on approximately 95 Japanese certifications to ISO 9001.
In February 2003, RAB revoked AGS' accreditation after an audit of the company revealed several noncompliances. Keneally argues that the cited items weren't valid and refused to comply with the RAB's "completely unrealistic" demands to maintain his accreditation. With his RAB accreditation gone, almost 100 of Keneally's Japanese clients stood to lose their newly issued, RAB-accredited registrations to ISO 9001.
Thus, in April Keneally made arrangements with another RAB-accredited registrar, American Institute of Quality Registrars, to re-issue the disputed registrations. The new certificates indicated that the recipient received ISO 9001 registration from AIQR "on behalf of AGS," and included RAB's trademarked logo.
Therein lies the legal dispute. In its suit, RAB argues that AGS deliberately misled its clients by including RAB's logo on the certificates, and lost the right to include any reference to RAB when it lost its RAB accreditation. Keneally, however, bitterly disputes the loss of his RAB accreditation. He was RAB-accredited for 10 years and alleges that RAB's lawsuit was an elaborate ruse to steal his clients borne out of a personal dispute. AIQR eliminated its certification agreement with AGS when RAB threatened its own accreditation, and AGS' clients with invalid registrations were transferred to another registrar, as dictated by RAB.
"If they don't like what you're doing, kiss your business goodbye because that's what they've done to me," says Keneally. "There is no impartial body in the system to resolve complaints. It's all dictated by [ANAB]."
Randy Dougherty, ANAB's director of accreditation, reports that he hopes the suit is settled quickly. The purpose of filing suit, he says, was simply to maintain the integrity of RAB accreditation for all registrars.
Dougherty says there have been settlement talks in the case, but Keneally is vowing to continue the legal battle until he is sufficiently reimbursed for his losses. He has filed a counter claim against ANAB and Dougherty personally, as well as two of his former business partners and AIQR, and says he has no intention of backing down.
 
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Don Palmer

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:topic: A quote from the press release:


It reads like the person who wrote it was hit in the head with a "dynamic structural mechanism" as a child. :biglaugh:
:topic: Looks like they strive to proactively leverage existing quality meta-services so that they may endeavor to assertively provide access to market-driven technology to stay competitive in tomorrow's world.:tg:
 

Sidney Vianna

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#37
Looks like the number of counterfeit certificates is on the rise.
On ANAB's website they have added another recent case:

Notice Regarding Unauthorized Use of ANAB Mark
www.anab.org said:
TransOil, Inc., of Los Angeles, CA, and Panama, is not certified by Smithers Quality Assessments, Inc., and has used the marks of Smithers Quality Assessments and the ANSI-RAB NAP (predecessor of ANAB) on a registration certificate inappropriately and without authorization. ANAB and Smithers Quality Assessments have informed TransOil that it is prohibited from using their marks and have demanded that it immediately refrain from doing so and from making any other misrepresentations regarding ANAB-accredited certification by Smithers Quality Assessments.
But it is sad that a certificate which carries their logo, allegedly unauthorized is still publicly posted on-line. Where is the enforcement when you need it? Check it out! :modcop:
 

Randy

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#38
I wonder if Kenneth D. Jackman knows his name is on the cert as the Lead Auditor?

The thing has an IRCA logo as well and that's bogus on a cert isn't it?
 

Sidney Vianna

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Looks like the number of counterfeit certificates is on the rise.
And yet another one:
Notice Regarding Unauthorized Use of ANAB Mark
Saro Agricultural Products Exporting Co. (Anbargol) of Tehran, Iran, is not certified by Alliance international Registrar, LLC, and has used the marks of Alliance international Registrar and the ANSI-RAB NAP (predecessor of ANAB) on a registration certificate inappropriately and without authorization. ANAB and Alliance international Registrar have informed Anbargol that it is prohibited from using their marks and have demanded that it immediately refrain from doing so and from making any other misrepresentations regarding ANAB-accredited certification by Alliance international Registrar.
 
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Ted Schmitt

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I wonder if Kenneth D. Jackman knows his name is on the cert as the Lead Auditor?

The thing has an IRCA logo as well and that's bogus on a cert isn't it?
I checked IRCA and Kenneth does exist... Randy´s question if he actually know his name is on the cert is a good one...

As far as I know, IRCA logo is not supposed to be on the certificate...

Something else I notice about the FLATOUT ceritificate... if IAB says that re-certification is not necessary, then why is there a date which says when the certificate expires? (March 6, 2007) :notme:
 
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