Interesting Discussion IAF CertSearch Database - Repository of "properly" Accredited Management System Certs

Did your organization receive an invite to be listed in the IAF Certsearch database?

  • Yes, and we want to be listed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, but we don't want to be listed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, but we want to be listed

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • No and we don't care

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • Database? what database?

    Votes: 6 60.0%

  • Total voters
    10
  • Poll closed .

jmech

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There are still some significant CBs (and thus many certified organizations) missing. We'll see who is still missing after the October 25 deadline.

IAF is encouraging companies to rely on IAF Certsearch (for example, claiming in the IAF-published update that Sidney posted that it "will allow business and regulatory communities around the globe to efficiently verify which certifications across their supply chains and networks are legitimate, accredited and active"), but some of the data is still inaccurate or incomplete. As well, their terms and conditions (you are required to sign up and agree to the terms if you want to make more than a few searches) disclaim any warranty of the accuracy or completeness of the data. For example, their terms include the following:
The IAF Database Operators work hard to provide you with information that is relevant and helpful to your lawful purposes. However, the information in the IAF Database is provided “as is,” and we make no guarantees that the information is accurate, reliable, current or error-free, or that the database will function without disruptions, delays or malfunctions. Specifically,
i. IAF DATABASE (AND ITS OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, THIRD PARTY SERVICE PROVIDERS, and LICENSORS), ACCREDITATION BODIES AND CERTIFICATION BODIES MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES REGARDING THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, SECURITY OR ACCURACY OF THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE, CERTIFIED ENTITY DATA, DATA MADE AVAILABLE FROM THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE, AND/OR VERIFICATION DATA FOR ANY PURPOSE.
ii. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE, CERTIFIED ENTITY DATA, DATA MADE AVAILABLE FROM THE DATABASE OR SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE AND VERIFICATION DATA ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OR CONDITION OF ANY KIND.
So they are encouraging companies to rely on data while at the same time warning companies that the data may be incomplete or inaccurate.

IAF stated that "IAF CertSearch will be promoted as the source of truth for the accredited network globally" but they do not stand behind the truthfulness of their data and all risks related to relying on the data are borne by the user.


One of the documents where the IAF stated that "IAF CertSearch will be promoted as the source of truth for the accredited network globally"

IAF Certsearch Terms and Conditions
 
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Sidney Vianna

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Checked it out yet?
No, because I don’t give a rodent’s derrière about this anymore, but this database will fail miserably, as I predicted several years ago on this very thread. People without the proper vision and moved primarily by greed will never accomplish something that is valuable and enduring. They were warned and advised right here, but we all know the saying about equines and the water fountain
 

Johnny Quality

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IAF CertSearch Database - Repository of "properly" Accredited Management System Certs


ISO/TS 16949 has been obsolete for how long now?
 

Mike S.

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There are still some significant CBs (and thus many certified organizations) missing. We'll see who is still missing after the October 25 deadline.

IAF is encouraging companies to rely on IAF Certsearch (for example, claiming in the IAF-published update that Sidney posted that it "will allow business and regulatory communities around the globe to efficiently verify which certifications across their supply chains and networks are legitimate, accredited and active"), but some of the data is still inaccurate or incomplete. As well, their terms and conditions (you are required to sign up and agree to the terms if you want to make more than a few searches) disclaim any warranty of the accuracy or completeness of the data. For example, their terms include the following:

So they are encouraging companies to rely on data while at the same time warning companies that the data may be incomplete or inaccurate.

IAF stated that "IAF CertSearch will be promoted as the source of truth for the accredited network globally" but they do not stand behind the truthfulness of their data and all risks related to relying on the data are borne by the user.


One of the documents where the IAF stated that "IAF CertSearch will be promoted as the source of truth for the accredited network globally"

IAF Certsearch Terms and Conditions
:bonk:This almost seems like something created by the Babylon Bee.
 

jmech

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Presumably driven by the October 26 compliance deadline, there has been a significant increase in CBs and certifications. As of November 1, 2024:
IAF CertSearch Database - Repository of "properly" Accredited Management System Certs

The approximately 1/3 of CBs that were not participating as of March account for nearly 1/2 of the total certifications, so it appears that some of the bigger CBs waited until the last minute.

Based on a letter from the IAF dated Sept 1, 2024, only about 50 CBs are missing (see quote below, available at https://anab.qualtraxcloud.com/showdocument.aspx?ID=38239 ). Note that the number of certifications includes all statuses, so the number of currently active certifications is less than shown.
IAF CertSearch Database - Repository of "properly" Accredited Management System Certs


It'll be interesting to see if any CBs experience the threatened "ramifications".
 

Sidney Vianna

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It'll be interesting to see if any CBs experience the threatened "ramifications".
Toothless empty threats by paper tigers. This database is useless, but it serves to show how the commodization of system certification has been enabled by their pathetic, vision less “leaders”.

Something I have already mentioned and even created a specific thread: while the vast majority of countries (they call it economies) have a single, sole accreditation body, the US has 3. For those of us who know the skeletons in this closet, we know why. But for the public at large, they have no idea.
 
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