IATF 16949: 2016 and ISO 9001:2015 - How Similar Are They?

GStough

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Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, but having spent most of my working life in the medical device industry, I'm not familiar with the automotive standard. :eek:

In preparing for a supplier audit next month, the supplier has informed us that they have allowed their ISO 9001 cert to lapse and have become registered to the IATF 16949:2016 standard. The reason they provided is that the automotive standard includes everything in ISO 9001, and they didn't need both certifications.

Can anyone here please tell me if this is true, or am I missing something? :confused:

Thanks in advance....:cool:
 
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Sidney Vianna

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Firstly, there was no IATF 16949:2009. There was ISO/TS 16949:2009. If the supplier is certified to the 2016 version of the document, it is true that they should be in compliance also with ISO 9001:2015, however, only for the automotive product lines, as certification to that standard is limited to auto parts.
 

GStough

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Firstly, there was no IATF 16949:2009. There was ISO/TS 16949:2009. If the supplier is certified to the 2016 version of the document, it is true that they should be in compliance also with ISO 9001:2015, however, only for the automotive product lines, as certification to that standard is limited to auto parts.
Oh, ok. Thanks, Sidney. I'm sorry about the mistake, you're correct. :eek: I was in a hurry and didn't double-check my typing. :notme:
 

AMIT BALLAL

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Firstly, there was no IATF 16949:2009. There was ISO/TS 16949:2009. If the supplier is certified to the 2016 version of the document, it is true that they should be in compliance also with ISO 9001:2015, however, only for the automotive product lines, as certification to that standard is limited to auto parts.
But, if both - auto and non-auto parts are being manufactured on site, then both will be audited, unless there is any permanent barrier between the lines (As per IATF rules). Hence we can say that the IATF16949 certification is for both auto and non-auto parts.
Am I missing anything? Please let me know.
 
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Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, but having spent most of my working life in the medical device industry, I'm not familiar with the automotive standard. :eek:

In preparing for a supplier audit next month, the supplier has informed us that they have allowed their ISO 9001 cert to lapse and have become registered to the IATF 16949:2016 standard. The reason they provided is that the automotive standard includes everything in ISO 9001, and they didn't need both certifications.

Can anyone here please tell me if this is true, or am I missing something? :confused:

Thanks in advance....:cool:
It always seems odd to me that people (users of certificates) don't grasp that doing IATF is also doing ISO 9001. Perhaps they didn't have 2 certificates because their CB charged them for 2, which is one way some CBs nickel and dime clients. I'd have as many certificates as I could get for as many standards as I could (it's only printer ink)
 

Golfman25

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But, if both - auto and non-auto parts are being manufactured on site, then both will be audited, unless there is any permanent barrier between the lines (As per IATF rules). Hence we can say that the IATF16949 certification is for both auto and non-auto parts.
Am I missing anything? Please let me know.
Not true. The IATF audit will only look at auto parts. So if you have a Stamping press that runs both automotive and say appliance parts, the IATF audit will only look at the auto parts. Sometimes you have to adjust your production schedule during audit so they have something to look at.
 

GStough

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Ok, maybe a little more detail will help.....

The situation is this:

We're going to do a for-cause audit at a supplier (the one registered to IATF 16949:2016) next month. However, they do not actually manufacture the parts we purchase from them. They use a sub-tier supplier for the manufacture of these parts. The sub-tier is registered to ISO 13485, and we will also audit them the following day, as a qualification audit in the event that at some future date, we choose to buy these parts directly from them, foregoing the IATF supplier. (Clear as mud yet? ;) )

I'm specifically interested in the processes required by ISO 9001:2015 for the IATF supplier (i.e. supplier/purchasing controls, complaints, CAPA, control of NC product, etc.), which is the reason for my initial post. If the IATF standard includes these requirements, then that supplier should have those processes in place.

:cool:
 
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Ok, maybe a little more detail will help.....

The situation is this:

We're going to do a for-cause audit at a supplier (the one registered to IATF 16949:2016) next month. However, they do not actually manufacture the parts we purchase from them. They use a sub-tier supplier for the manufacture of these parts. The sub-tier is registered to ISO 13485, and we will also audit them the following day, as a qualification audit in the event that at some future date, we choose to buy these parts directly from them, foregoing the IATF supplier. (Clear as mud yet? ;) )

I'm specifically interested in the processes required by ISO 9001:2015 for the IATF supplier (i.e. supplier/purchasing controls, complaints, CAPA, control of NC product, etc.), which is the reason for my initial post. If the IATF standard includes these requirements, then that supplier should have those processes in place.

:cool:
Let me see if I can find you something to help...:lol:
 

Keith Childers

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In order to be certified to IATF 16949 you must also meet all of the requirements of ISO 9001.

During an IATF audit you can receive a nonconformance for not meeting ISO 9001 requirements.
 
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