IATF 16949:2016 Internal Auditor training

[Manoranjan S]

The internal auditor must receive training from an external agency.? it is mentioned anywhere in ISO or IATF standard

 

[Ashland78]

The internal auditor must receive training from an external agency.? it is mentioned anywhere in ISO or IATF standard

No I do not believe so. What does your quality manual say for competency? That is what would determine it.

It helps if from an external source.

 

[malasuerte]

The internal auditor must receive training from an external agency.? it is mentioned anywhere in ISO or IATF standard

Absolutely not a requirement.

You determine what it means to be "competent". If that means external training supplemented by internal on-the-job training, then that is the requirements. If you do everything in-house, that is the requirement.

I have built training that suits our company and it is all internal - Note: it is vastly superior to anything an external agency can offer.

 

[porcupine]

does anyone have a suggestion of a good training program for auditing?
I thought we were doing pretty good, we have had to make adjustments because we do not have enough people anymore to do things the same way, but have kept up with requirements. Our new auditor (our usual suddenly passed away) does not agree. I am not one to argue as I find it takes more time than just trying to figure out what I need to comply... and with not being able to find ANY help, I do not have time to argue. This place usually helps with some good tips from many who are well more versed in this than I am. Thanks in advance!

 

[Ashland78]

I did not believe this when I started working for a big 3 auto company - but training is adequate based on what you say is sufficient in the quality manual procedures for your organization.

I had many days of training with core tools being assessed in mock audits.

Our organization does a training online with a sideshow. It has worked as we have been audited and we are following our process.

I hope that helps

 

[porcupine]

I did not believe this when I started working for a big 3 auto company - but training is adequate based on what you say is sufficient in the quality manual procedures for your organization.

I had many days of training with core tools being assessed in mock audits.

Our organization does a training online with a sideshow. It has worked as we have been audited and we are following our process.

I hope that helps

We have not had an issue until now. This was just a surveillance audit so I am terrified of the recert.haha. I still feel we have a good process that we follow. However, upon suggestion of the auditor I would like to have some type of training to show him we are taking his suggestions.

 

[ChrisM]

I don't believe that any of the recognised QMS Standards define "Training" very well. There is no requirement for a training course to be provided by an external agency or supplier (or a customer) but obviously, possession of training certificates from "well known" training providers certainly assists with demonstrating to an Assessor that formal training has been given. If you provide training in-house, it may be worth considering spending a few minutes to generate a certificate that is provided to those who attend the course.

FWIW many training courses do not have a formal examination or "scoring system" and an attendance certificate may be all that the delegates receive. QMS standards currently make no reference to any requirement for training courses to be scored or have an examination at their conclusion where the delegate has to receive a "Pass" in order for the training to be "valid"

 

[porcupine]

I don't believe that any of the recognised QMS Standards define "Training" very well. There is no requirement for a training course to be provided by an external agency or supplier (or a customer) but obviously, possession of training certificates from "well known" training providers certainly assists with demonstrating to an Assessor that formal training has been given. If you provide training in-house, it may be worth considering spending a few minutes to generate a certificate that is provided to those who attend the course.

FWIW many training courses do not have a formal examination or "scoring system" and an attendance certificate may be all that the delegates receive. QMS standards currently make no reference to any requirement for training courses to be scored or have an examination at their conclusion where the delegate has to receive a "Pass" in order for the training to be "valid"

A certificate is a good idea. We currently train in house and use a training matrix to show training has occurred.... Hmm. I believe a training certificate would be a good solution to another issue, at least demonstrate we are taking the observations seriously. TY.

 

[Golfman25]

I don't believe that any of the recognised QMS Standards define "Training" very well. There is no requirement for a training course to be provided by an external agency or supplier (or a customer) but obviously, possession of training certificates from "well known" training providers certainly assists with demonstrating to an Assessor that formal training has been given. If you provide training in-house, it may be worth considering spending a few minutes to generate a certificate that is provided to those who attend the course.

FWIW many training courses do not have a formal examination or "scoring system" and an attendance certificate may be all that the delegates receive. QMS standards currently make no reference to any requirement for training courses to be scored or have an examination at their conclusion where the delegate has to receive a "Pass" in order for the training to be "valid"

Probably because training isn't a "requirement," competency is. Achieving that competency can take many forms.

 

[Slickpick]

As others have stated, internal auditors do not need to go through external training. It is up to your organization (and if your customer has any specific requirements) to determine how to qualify an internal auditor.

For our organization, an internal auditor must meet one or more of the following criteria to be considered competent / qualified:

• Be CQA certified through ASQ
• Have received external audit training (must have certificate as evidence)
• Have been with the company at least three months and can pass an audit quiz given by the internal lead auditor (employee would also need to conduct an audit with the lead internal auditor before being able to perform audits on their own)