IATF 16949 Certification for new site with transferred product--what is the impact with CSR and scorecards?

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We are in the discussion phase of launching a second production facility to build an existing product line. Our current facility is large and there is a desire to split into two smaller locations, separated geographically, to mitigate risk and reduce logistics. Our current location is IATF 16949 certified and ships to multiple IATF OEM's. I have been reading the Rules and understand we cannot certify the second plant until we have 12 months performance data and go through Stage 1 and Stage 2 Initial Audit process like any new facility.

My question is does anyone have experience managing this with Ford/GM/FCA? Have they allowed shipments from non-IATF certified plant for the 12 months while the facility demonstrates performance to become certified as long as there is a plan for certification? Have they made allowances on the scorecard or do we just go into the activity knowing the scorecards will be impacted?
 
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malasuerte

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To your specific question - the short answer is yes, it can happen. Of course there would be waivers, PPAP update, approvals, etc. to make it happen. If they need the product, they will figure it out. :) And yes, you will need to explain and demonstrate you are on the 'path to certification'.

I don't quite get the 2nd half of the ? about scorecard impact? What scorecard? I don't see a 'scorecard' being relevant to the actual question....so I'll just say, your scorecard doesn't matter. Or, if you are talking about a "supplier Scorecard' the customer has on you - then yes, you just have to live with it if the customer scores you lower....however, I am sure this is the least of the concerns.
 

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We are looking at subsuppliers who are building new plants in other locations to avoid tariffs. They are currently certified, but we would be getting subcomponents from them before they reach their 12 months to recertify. So we would have to go to our customer to make it happen? The whole "waivers, PPAP update, approvals, etc."? Or is that something our supplier would need to do?
 

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We are looking at subsuppliers who are building new plants in other locations to avoid tariffs. They are currently certified, but we would be getting subcomponents from them before they reach their 12 months to recertify. So we would have to go to our customer to make it happen? The whole "waivers, PPAP update, approvals, etc."? Or is that something our supplier would need to do?
Short answer yes and no. There is a lot to consider. First off, You are responsible for YOUR suppliers. The customer is responsible for YOU.

So in this case - it is YOUR requirements that apply here. Do YOU accept the product from this site which is not certified? Did you do some sort of qualification of that site and the product from there? Was there a change notification issued to you from that supplier, etc.?

Unless YOUR customer has stated, for some reason, and YOU have agreed that this supplier needs to be IATF certified before product is shipped, then it's business as usual.

Make sense/// Do you have follow up questions? I don't want to jump in to far.
 
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