IATF 16949 Clause 8.5.1.4 - Verification after Shutdown

[marco mendez]

[QUOTE = "Eric CC, post: 600462, member: 309874"] Tenemos una instrucción de trabajo interno corporativo para cortes de energía (ya sea un equipo específico o un corte de toda la planta) que especifica lo que debe suceder tanto al equipo como a al producto efectuado por el corte de energía.
Pero no tenemos una política documentada para una línea que no se ejecuta durante el fin de semana.
¿Qué define un apagado? ¿Es un apagado? Si detenemos la producción durante el fin de semana pero mantenemos nuestras líneas encendidas, ¿es eso un cierre? Obviamente, hay procedimientos requeridos (que sí hemos documentado) para el inicio en cada turno de operación.

Si alguien puede compartir cuál es la intención de IATF 16949 Cláusula 8.5.1.4, lo agradecería mucho. ¿Qué estaría buscando un auditor IATF como evidencia de cumplimiento?

Gracias [/ CITA]

tndras cual es la intencion de este punto

 

[delorfra]

Hello to all,
Please find below the template from PSA, useful during this period of time when we restart our plants soon.
Francois

 

[CReeAdmin]

Hi there
We are being asked to incorporate these Shutdown procedures into PFMEA. (to be compliant to 8.5.1.4. Is this something others capture?
We do have regular start up checks built in PFMEA so would shutdown checks become a separate process flow item or failure modes which are captured by the check sheet?
Our internal auditors have told us to incorporate but can't tell us how.

 

[Rogério Machado]

What is the downtime considered to be shutdown?

 

[Johnny Quality]

What is the downtime considered to be shutdown?

Rogério,

As per IATF 16949:2016, terms and definitions on page 13:

production shutdown
condition where manufacturing processes are idle; time span may be a few hours to a few months

 

[Rogério Machado]

Johnny Quality Thank you for your reply,

 

[Rogério Machado]

Rogério,

As per IATF 16949:2016, terms and definitions on page 13:

production shutdown
condition where manufacturing processes are idle; time span may be a few hours to a few months

So, I can consider the shutdow 01 month, ok?

 

[Johnny Quality]

The standard defines production shutdown as any time where the manufacturing processes are idle. So it could be that a machine for production is down for an hour or so awaiting material or a few days awaiting work or months due to maintenance. It's all classed as a production shutdown.

What the organization does to ensure product compliance after a production shutdown is up to the organization to determine (and any customer specific requirements). It will depend on your processes.

 

[Miner]

I would recommend a risk assessment for differing periods of time and reason for the shutdown to inform the actions.

 

[John C. Abnet]

All-
This discussion brings up a good point. Modern manufacturing equipment is now often complex digitally controlled machinery. We have all seen situations where even a brief power outage causes significant problems in restart-verification-clearing of "in process" product from machinery, etc..etc...
The auditable clause in the standard makes no reference to the amount of time.
The terms and definitions (as correctly pointed out by @Johnny Quality ) gives as poor and "loose" explanation.


Hmmm..

Thoughts?