IATF 16949 - Clause 8.5.2 Identification and Traceability

[DeeDeeM]

Dear All,
I need some assistance according to "traceability plans", required in clause 8.5.2.1 Identification and traceability - suplemental:
"The organization shall conduct an analysis of internal, customer, and regulatory traceability requirements for all automotive products, including developing and documenting traceability plans, based on the levels of risk or failure severity for employees, customers, and consumers."

What exactly is that plan -different specific document, or having process FMEA & Flowchart & Production planing & internal traceability rules implemented in ERP system from incoming inspection of materials to delivery of ready product is enough to say "I have a traceability plan"?

Thanks in advance,

 

[AMIT BALLAL]

Hi!

Identification and traceability defined through your ERP system, control plan, FMEA would be enough to fulfill this requirement.

 

[DeeDeeM]

Thank You It is my point of view but I also needed another opinion

 

[Marc]

Also see: How to understand IATF 16949 Clause 8.5.2.1 - Traceability

 

[Sebastian]

I have a different view of this requirement, due to words present there - "developing and documenting" and especially "plan". For me ERP system is only a partial effect of implementation of developed traceability plan.

Purpose of this document is to show how do we plan to get all data meaningful for investigating of quality problem, receiving from customer only identification data for nonconforming/suspected product.

What materials, semi-products, components were used on each step of manufacturing process presented on manufacturing flow chart? What process parameters values were used during manufacturing? How big are lot sizes? Where and how are stored all these information? ERP is only part of story. Main part, but only a part.
It is document similar to contingency plan, but this time result of it's implementation is not maintaining production output, but grasping all data needed to determine root cause of quality problem and identification of affected other cars.

 

[John C. Abnet]

I have a different view of this requirement, due to words present there - "developing and documenting" and especially "plan". For me ERP system is only a partial effect of implementation of developed traceability plan.

Purpose of this document is to show how do we plan to get all data meaningful for investigating of quality problem, receiving from customer only identification data for nonconforming/suspected product.

What materials, semi-products, components were used on each step of manufacturing process presented on manufacturing flow chart? What process parameters values were used during manufacturing? How big are lot sizes? Where and how are stored all these information? ERP is only part of story. Main part, but only a part.
It is document similar to contingency plan, but this time result of it's implementation is not maintaining production output, but grasping all data needed to determine root cause of quality problem and identification of affected other cars.

Good day all-
The comments and insights above are all good and accurate. Thank you.
Please also note the requirement that states...
"...shall identify the status of the outputs...".
In other words, we need to ensure that the general audience that encounters the outputs, is aware if the product is complete, "good", "NG", etc... This can be done via means of digital "poka-yoke" that won't let incomplete product move to a subsequent process, by placement of tags or other visual ID, and/or by documented prescribed locations. Feel free to share the methods you and your organization use to "...identify the status of outputs..."

 

[DeeDeeM]

Sure, but...I do not find nothing for traceability plans there in it discussion "How to understand IATF 16949 Clause 8.5.2.1 - Traceability ", Marc. And namely it plan makes me upset...

 

[DeeDeeM]

I have a different view of this requirement, due to words present there - "developing and documenting" and especially "plan". For me ERP system is only a partial effect of implementation of developed traceability plan.

Purpose of this document is to show how do we plan to get all data meaningful for investigating of quality problem, receiving from customer only identification data for nonconforming/suspected product.

What materials, semi-products, components were used on each step of manufacturing process presented on manufacturing flow chart? What process parameters values were used during manufacturing? How big are lot sizes? Where and how are stored all these information? ERP is only part of story. Main part, but only a part.
It is document similar to contingency plan, but this time result of it's implementation is not maintaining production output, but grasping all data needed to determine root cause of quality problem and identification of affected other cars.

Such doubts arise in my interpretation of the clause too...thats why I asked