IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unusable

joekirk

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How do companies address the following requirement?

"the organization shall verify that the product to be scrapped is rendered unusable prior to disposal."

How would you do this without cutting up / destroying the part?
Example would be bearing supplier. Would they be required to cut the raceways?
Example would be a shaft supplier. Would they be required to melt or cut the shafts prior to disposal?

Any suggestions other than buy a saw to cut the parts?
 
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

Further thoughts are appreciated as well as solutions which are applied to high volume batch processes of Section 8.7.1.7: Nonconforming product disposition:

If the clause applies to disposition outside the manufacturing batch process, which our organization terms as MRB (Material Review Board), then meeting the clause seems reasonable. A reject is already dispositioned as part of the manufacturing process and thus not awaiting a disposition through a formal MRB process. For our organization, rendering rejects (start-up and troubleshooting) unusable from a batch process would be costly, as methods would need to be defined as well as additional equipment and labor added to the process flow.

If I read from an AIAG upload (pasted below), would a robust procedure defining manufacturing rejects as a separate process from which disposition as scrap are made through the formal MRB process meet the intent of the clause? We would also demonstrate we contain and do not pass rejects on within the manufacturing process.

Section 8.7.1.7: Nonconforming product disposition
• Strengthen the requirement of disposition of nonconforming product by clarifying that organizations must also have a documented process for disposition of nonconforming product not subject to rework or repair.
• Planned activities need to be managed and the results considered to improve this process.
• Contamination control practices should be applied to avoid any risk of unintended use of this type of nonconforming products.
• Customer approval is required before nonconforming products in this category can be diverted for service or any other use.

Thanks,
Carl
 
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Sebastian

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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

For me this is clearly off-line activity.
During on-line inspection activities we determine nonconforming part.
We separate nonconforming part from conforming parts and then we have three options, what to do with it:
rework,
repair,
scrap.
So last option is a final stage of nonconforming product life and must include activities preventing it from appearing somehow on field and usage against organizational/OEM intention.
 
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normzone

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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

Somewhere there exists a video of a large truck, somewhere in Japan, slowly rolling back and forth over a large volume of small boxes, filled with nonconforming cell phone displays. I've heard the tale, seen the video, but can't recall where.

:bonk:
 
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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

So in the case of metal product NCP, our process moves material to Scrap Bins at our dock, which are then picked up by a Scrap Metal service. Provided they give us a document indicating a flow which includes 'rendering unusable' which we approve, are we clear?
 

delorfra

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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

The answer to the question 3 adds «*provided you check regularly at your service provider’s that the products are actually rendered unusable*».
 

EmillyWilson

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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

Bad News... I just received a NC in my IAFT audit written to this requirement:(
We are a tier 3, small component metal stamper. In no way can my product be used for it's intent without additional assembly by our customer and usually their customer. Our process stated regular inspections of our Scrap Yard's process (5 miles) away.... Long story short the NC was written based on our start up parts going into a red bin > into the hopper. The auditor is saying we must rendered scrap unusable prior to disposal, ie going in the hopper. He feels this must happen at the stamping presses immediately. This requirement is a bunch of BS, at our level and is going to cause me to disposition the parts as suspect instead of immediately calling them scrap. Then introduce something like paint, great for my 14001 certification or a manual smashing process, great for my Safety Program. WTF
 

delorfra

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Re: IATF 16949 Clause 8.7.1.7 Nonconforming Product Disposition - Scrap Rendered Unus

As a certification auditor, I can confirm that you are entitled to contest a non conformity, in this case based on the IATF FAQ No.11 published in October 2017 :

http://www.iatfglobaloversight.org/...9-Frequently-Asked-Questions_October-2017.pdf

QUESTION
3:Can the organization use a service provider to render the product unusable ?

ANSWER
3: Yes, it is acceptable to contract the process of rendering the product unusable to a service provider.
If a service provider is used, the organization needs to approve, and periodically verify, how the supplier is rendering the product unusable.

François
 
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