# IATF audit day requirements table 5.2

#### Kostas M

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Hello everyone,

I have a question regarding the duration of the IATF audit. My organization has 110 employees and the certification body told me that the recertification audit will be conducted in 4.13 days. Last year, the surveillance audit was conducted in 3 days when we had 100 employees. Reading the rules of the 5th edition, there is a table 5.2 which determines the audit days. Does anyone have this table? I cannot find it online.

Thank you for your assistance in advance
Kostas

#### Johnny Quality

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Kostas,

Re-certification audits are always longer than surveillance audits. See below taken from here.

If you want to see the full table you'll have to buy a copy of the Rules 5th Edition.

#### Kostas M

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Thank you Johnny for the quick response and your input.

I will look for the 5th Edition copy

Kostas

#### morteza

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Hi,

Based on table 5.2 of IATF Rules, for 81-122 employees, the recertification audit days would be 4.0. this may have a reduction of 15% for organizations without design responsibility.
Hope this helps.

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#### Kostas M

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Thank you Morteza. That’s is what I found reviewing the 5th edition. Do you know if the surveillance audit has the same duration? If not, how do you determine the duration?

Thanks
Kosta

#### morteza

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Thank you Morteza. That’s is what I found reviewing the 5th edition. Do you know if the surveillance audit has the same duration? If not, how do you determine the duration?

Thanks
Kosta
Hi Kosta

For your organization (with 100 employees) the initial audit days would be 6 days (from table 5.2). Suppose that you decided to have 2 surveillance audits during your 3 year audit cycle. In this case:
- If your organization is design responsible, the duration of each surveillance audit would be 6/2=3 days.
- If your organization is not design responsible, you would have a 15% reduction, i.e. 6*0.85=5.1. The duration of each surveillance audit would be 5.1/2=2.55 days which is rounded up to 3 days.
So, your yearly surveillance audit would be 3 days.

But, remember that IATF Rules is under revision. As I know, IATF wants to add other criteria like organization performance for determination of audit days. I think the new edition would come into effect from Jan, 2022. So, the above audit day calculation may change.

#### Sidney Vianna

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But, remember that IATF Rules is under revision. As I know, IATF wants to add other criteria like organization performance for determination of audit days. I think the new edition would come into effect from Jan, 2022. So, the above audit day calculation may change.
We MUST remember that the audit days from table 5.2 are MINIMUM. Also, keep in mind the Risk Based audit days calculation coming up @ IATF 16949 News - Risked Based Audit Day Calculation

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