SBS - The Best Value in QMS software

IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadline

Elsmar Forum Sponsor

Golfman25

Trusted Information Resource
#2
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

These guys are living a lie.

Given the numbers of auditors and auditees its impossible. Good luck.
 

Golfman25

Trusted Information Resource
#3
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

Yep and 7.2.3 is internal auditor competency which we have gone around and around on.

Here are the other Majors:

8.5.1.5: Total Productive Maintenance
6.1.2.3: Contingency Plans
10.2.1: ISO -- nonconformity and corrective action
6.1.2.1: Risk Analysis - lessons learned
10.2.3: Problem solving
4.3.2: Customer specific requirements
8.5.1: ISO -- Control of production and service provision
4.4.1.2: Product Safety
9.3.2.1: Management review inputs
 
Last edited:

Golfman25

Trusted Information Resource
#4
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

Here are the minors:

8.5.1.5: Total Productive Maintenance
8.5.1.1: Control Plan
8.5.1: ISO -- Control of production and service provision
6.1.2.3: Contingency Plans
8.3.5.2: Manufacturing Process Design Output
8.3.3.3: Special Characteristics
8.5.1.2: Standardised work -- operator instructions and visual standards
7.1.5.1.1: Measurement System Analysis
8.5.1.3: Verification of Job Setups
7.2.3: Internal auditor competency

Hope it helps someone.
 

Sebastian

Trusted Information Resource
#5
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

No problem at all. The closer we get to deadline, the better audit results we will achieve. There will be no time for corrective actions, so 0 NC will be default result.

One year transition period was unachievable from a start, but to make it more realistic they decreased requirements related to auditors non-auditing job period, prolonged auditors with expired permissions. Still not enough.

I am curious who are these 25 major suppliers and why IATF does not deploys on-line inquiry to get more wider feedback from other interested parties.

Sorry - no Annex A nonconformities? Ha! Ha!

I was no aware, that IATF 16949:2016 transition timing was determined by ISO 9001:2015 transition timing. Not so clever to keep the same deadline with 1 year delay at moment of start.
 
Last edited:

howste

Thaumaturge
Super Moderator
#6
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

No problem at all. The closer we get to deadline, the better audit results we will achieve. There will be no time for corrective actions, so 0 NC will be default result.
I doubt it. If companies are not ready and they end up having no certificate for a time then the IATF won't lose any sleep.

When QS9000 was retired there was a six-year period to transition. There were still a bunch of companies that waited to the last minute to change their systems. The IATF didn't cut them any slack and the supply chain didn't collapse.

I did a TS 16949 readiness audit at one company a few months before QS9000 expired and I told them that they weren't ready for a certification audit. They committed to fix the issues quickly and we went ahead and scheduled the audit. They pulled out all the stops and about a month and a half later I did their certification audit. I didn't pull any punches and they ended up with only a few minor nonconformities. It's amazing what a company can do in a short time period when they're faced with losing their certificate. :notme:
 

Sidney Vianna

Post Responsibly
Staff member
Admin
#7
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

There will be no time for corrective actions, so 0 NC will be default result.
As the data (in the chart I posted on the first post of the tread) shows, around 1.7% of the audits performed so far resulted in 0 nonconformities. I doubt we would see a significant shift as we approach the deadline, just to "salvage certificates".

The "perfect storm" of simultaneous transition deadline for 9001:2015, 9100:2016 and IATF 16949:2016 must be creating havoc for the scheduling function of CB's around the world.

Without a question, we will see audits spilling onto weekends. Audit resources will be stretched thin during the next 52 weeks...But who could see that coming? :notme:
When organizations have demonstrated, transition after transition, that 85%+ of them will procrastinate their transition audits no matter what, why haven't the "leaders" of the industry devised better paths to transition? For example, had the IAQG and the IATF decoupled their QMS standards from ISO 9001, they wouldn't be forced to stick to the same deadline. On top of many other benefits that decision would have brought to stakeholders in their respective industries.
 
Last edited:

Sebastian

Trusted Information Resource
#8
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

Probably we wont get updated data when transition period is over and maybe "better" companies" are on the way to transition so 1,7% is and will remain relative.

Maybe someone have time to check previous transitions deadlines. Were there any differences between ISO and ISO/TS timings?
 

Golfman25

Trusted Information Resource
#9
Re: IATF bringing stakeholders together to ensure Transition by the 2018-09-14 deadli

Probably we wont get updated data when transition period is over and maybe "better" companies" are on the way to transition so 1,7% is and will remain relative.

Maybe someone have time to check previous transitions deadlines. Were there any differences between ISO and ISO/TS timings?
Regardless of procrastination, they rushed this thing out and implemented a transition timeline which is unworkable even under the best circumstances. IATF was issued a year after the ISO revision and you only had two years to transition. But it really is 1.5 years at best, because auditors/cbs etc. had to get up to speed. And that was only the auditors who stuck -- many "retired." Add the steroid enhanced requirements and you have a real cluster, imo.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
S IATF 16949 - Summary at a glance Clause wise - changes from ISO TS IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
Azaarus Help with CAPA for an IATF finding regarding inspection documentation IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 9
W Do Reference materials for IATF need to be 17025? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 15
D Special IATF audit of sub-supplier IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
R IATF and ASPICE level 2 Design and Development of Products and Processes 9
T IATF 16949 Recording inspection results IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
S IATF 16949 Supplier selection criteria 8.4.1.2 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
G Remote support - IATF allowed words defined? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11
D "certified" in ISO 19011, as well as IATF required? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
D IATF 16949 M&TE Laboratory scope IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
M IATF 16949 SI # 10: Integrated self-calibration of measurement equipment- Needs for explanation IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
B IATF Certification Body Recommendations Registrars and Notified Bodies 3
K IATF audit day requirements table 5.2 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
Q ISO 9001/IATF 16949 Audit Finding Question - Document Retention IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11
M IATF - Internal Audit 3 year span Internal Auditing 4
J IATF 16949 Calibration/Verification records question ISO 26262 - Road vehicles – Functional safety 6
D Bulk Materials (Greases) and IATF 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 11
M New IATF Sanctioned Interpretations April 2021 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
L Eligible for IATF or eligible for LOC ? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
N IATF Calibration Lean in Manufacturing and Service Industries 5
J IATF 16949 Internal Audit question - Auditor's responsibility Internal Auditing 6
B How many nonconformances have you received on average during IATF audits? General Auditing Discussions 24
S IATF 16949 Internal Audit Example IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 15
B Remote IATF 16949 audit preparation General Auditing Discussions 10
R IATF 16949 Certification for new site with transferred product--what is the impact with CSR and scorecards? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
B IATF 16949 Cert Expire- New certification body IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
M IATF 16949 - Audit of Remote Location/Support Site and IT IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
Q IATF audit - Root Cause Analysis results IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
M IATF Icon pack /PNG IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 0
S Advantages and disadvantages on IATF corporate scheme IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
W Where does a coatings and paint company fall in IATF? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
Q Contingency plan - IATF Sanctioned Interpretation 17 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
O Informational Ford Motor Company Customer Specific Requirements for IATF 16949:2016 - 08 Jan 2021 Customer and Company Specific Requirements 0
B Updated IATF 16949 - Will IATF 16949 get revised when ISO 9001:202X is released? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
R IATF Oversight certificates General Auditing Discussions 5
Sidney Vianna IATF 16949 News Update on the IATF CARA Project (“Common Audit Report Application”) - 12/2020 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 1
O Release of Sanctioned Interpretations (SIs) related to Rules 5th Edition and Sanctioned Interpretations related to IATF 16949:2016 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 0
Sidney Vianna IATF 16949 News IATF Observer Guideline IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
G IATF Rules for COVID 5th revision - Re-certification audit timing IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
L IATF external audit virtual (remote) IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 13
T IATF Rules for sharing production space with another company IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 10
W Allowing our IATF to Expire Due to Relocation. Any Backlash? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
B Revision 5 to IATF Coronavirus Pandemic (Covid -19) IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 0
S Thoughts on managing ISO 9001, 13485, IATF 16949 and 17025 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 33
P IATF 16949 requirement - error-proofing in control plan IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
I IATF Lab Scope Testing Qualification and Competency Documentation IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
B Gage calibration frequency, ISO and IATF - What are the requirements Calibration Frequency (Interval) 3
R IATF 16949 - Outsourcing of internal audits Internal Auditing 11
eule del ayre Documented Information - Periodic Review of Documents? IATF 16949:2016 / ISO 9001:2015 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 34
Crimpshrine13 Laboratory Scope - Calibration vs. Test Methods - IATF 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3

Similar threads

Top Bottom