IATF - Internal Audit 3 year span

MoseyMFG

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I am trying to wear a hat that jumps starts a new QMS plan for my work, I was asked to establish a audit schedule that complies with IATF and ISO standards so far I have what is mandatory but I am having a hard time understanding the different audits and what ones I am suppose to present in a 3 year audit plan. I see there are QMS and PROCESS audits... I just dont know what ones would be audited when.
 

Johnny Quality

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Mosey,

For IATF 16949 you do not need a 3 year audit plan BUT you must audit all system processes and manufacturing processes at least once per 3 year certification cycle.

For example, if you in an organization that does injection moulding and painting under the scope of its IATF 16949 certificate the organization would have to audit the moulding process at least once and the painting process at least once.

System processes would be like production planning, quality assurance, plant maintenance, training, logistics, things like that. They must be documented per IATF 16949 and I would hope that is already done.

When to audit is dependent on risk. Never have issues with logistics or training? Audit them once or twice per cycle or when significant changes in the process occur (new people, new steps in the process, etc). Lots of issues in production planning or root causes of customer complaints involve calibration? Audit regularly and improve.
 

Howard Atkins

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please remember that this is a minimum, the audits are one of your strongest tools
If there is not a basic plan how can you show you intend to audit the complete cycle!
Please also remember that the manufacturing process audits include the control plan and the FMEA and all shifts, check also that your customers do not require CQI audits for moulding, welding coating etc.
You also need product audits as per the standard.
Some customers also want LPAs
 

MoseyMFG

Registered
please remember that this is a minimum, the audits are one of your strongest tools
If there is not a basic plan how can you show you intend to audit the complete cycle!
Please also remember that the manufacturing process audits include the control plan and the FMEA and all shifts, check also that your customers do not require CQI audits for moulding, welding coating etc.
You also need product audits as per the standard.
Some customers also want LPAs


LPA's are done daily, I am not sure on the CQI we make transmission gears...so I am assuming just heat treat stuff would be audited in that aspect as far as special processes. We also only have ONE shift due to a downsize in our company. Also, I want to know how to schedule all audits and processes as necessary and to get a little more idea as the minimum requirement... but we wanted every three years because we went from running 40 machines down to only 6. We went from 200 employees to 20 so we are scoping down our MQP and trying to rationalize our audit schedule to fit the small staff we have, any suggestions would be great on how to accomplish a plan. I have tried looking into some training and maybe get certified but I need to present something to the Boss as far as getting us caught up from the few months that our System analyst and Quality team as diminished.
 

greengecko

Registered
I was given the recommendation to audit my organization more frequently than the registrar audits the organization.

In the scenario where a process receives a non-conformance and they were not audited that year, it will present poorly. If you decide to audit each process once every 3 years, you should have data backing up your choice, essentially using risked based thinking for internal audit planning.
 
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