IATF16949:2016 certified without ISO:9001:2015

#1
Good day,
I understand that IATF16949:2016 is designed to be used in conjunction with ISO 9001:2015 and contains supplemental requirements specific to the automotive industry rather than being a standalone QMS.
However, can an organization only maintain and to be audited (by certificate body) for IATF16949:2016 only? With this, the organization will/must be audited with both standards but only pay for one certificate, which is for the IATF16949:2016.

Appreciate your views and input.
 
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#2
Short answer is NO!

For more information on what can / can't be done go to the IATF website and review the transition strategy they have posted there.

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#3
IATF 16949 isn't a "stand alone" requirement. It simply adds requirements to ISO 9001:2015. If your worry is the cost to certify, then you might want to check with your chosen CB. They should do ONE audit and issue 2 certificates, one for IATF and one for ISO. If they charge for more than one audit, you are being scammed.
 

Golfman25

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#4
Good day,
I understand that IATF16949:2016 is designed to be used in conjunction with ISO 9001:2015 and contains supplemental requirements specific to the automotive industry rather than being a standalone QMS.
However, can an organization only maintain and to be audited (by certificate body) for IATF16949:2016 only? With this, the organization will/must be audited with both standards but only pay for one certificate, which is for the IATF16949:2016.

Appreciate your views and input.
I believe the answer is yes. I have seen nothing to the contrary.

And while they don't charge for two audits, in my experience they do charge extra for both certs because they need extra time to hit the non-auto products. It was like an extra half day. In our case it wasn't worth the time or money to have the 9001 part.
 

Dave Cx

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#5
We are an automotive supplier only and have just (today) passed our transition audit to IATF 16949.

Our audit did focus on the IATF specific clauses, my understanding is you could fail an IATF audit by being non compliant with the ISO 9001 clauses.

Dave
 

Golfman25

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#6
We are an automotive supplier only and have just (today) passed our transition audit to IATF 16949.

Our audit did focus on the IATF specific clauses, my understanding is you could fail an IATF audit by being non compliant with the ISO 9001 clauses.

Dave
If you look at the details of the non-conformances to a few months ago, several majors where issues for non-compliance with an ISO clause. That info is floating around here somewhere.
 

Stijloor

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#7
If you look at the details of the non-conformances to a few months ago, several majors where issues for non-compliance with an ISO clause. That info is floating around here somewhere.
On the list of the "Top Ten Major Nonconformities" appeared:
  • 8.5.1 Control of Production and Service Provision (ISO 9001)
  • 10.2.1 Nonconformity and Corrective Action (ISO 9001)
On the list of the "Top Ten Minor Nonconformities" appeared:
  • 8.5.1 Control of Production and Service Provision (ISO 9001)
 
#8
We are an automotive supplier only and have just (today) passed our transition audit to IATF 16949.

Our audit did focus on the IATF specific clauses, my understanding is you could fail an IATF audit by being non compliant with the ISO 9001 clauses.

Dave
Of course! Since IATF simple adds requirements to ISO 9001 basics, if you aren't implementing the basics that will result in a finding. ISO 9001 doesn't require MSA studies, but it does require some basic controls for measurement resources. If those aren't met, the use of MSA isn't going to be much use, even if it practiced perfectly!

FWIW - the OP seems to be (only) interested in not paying for 2 certificates. As has been mentioned, SOME CBs charge for 2 certs, some don't. Simples!
 

Mikey324

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#9
We are an automotive supplier only and have just (today) passed our transition audit to IATF 16949.

Our audit did focus on the IATF specific clauses, my understanding is you could fail an IATF audit by being non compliant with the ISO 9001 clauses.

Dave
I agree. If you aren't compliant with the ISO clauses, you can't be compliant to IATF clauses. That's where they come from.

We are 100% automotive and have also been through our 3rd part audit. The new standards focus heavily on risk analysis. Some of the risks come from the context of the organization (ISO 4.1 and 4.2). If you look at the IATF standard, it says see ISO 9001 requirements. If you don't have these implemented, you can't be in compliance with section 4. The list goes on and on that way.
 

QMMike

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#10
Yes, I believe you can.
Being certified to IATF16949 would mean that the audit scope only applies to automotive aspect of your company. Meaning, during the audit - the only things that an auditor should be looking at would be automotive related. If you have jobs that are not automotive, then they wouldn't apply.

If you wanted those items to be included in your registration, then you would apply and hold a dual cert. Unless this has change?
 
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