If Boeing is your customer and you are AS91X0 certified, be aware....

Sidney Vianna

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If you are a supplier to The Boeing Co. and you are AS/EN9100 certified, pay attention to the following requirements from the Boeing Quality Management System Requirements for Suppliers D6-82479 document:

  • If you transfer your AS/EN9100 certificate from a CB to another, you are required to formally notify your Boeing Supplier Quality Representative, promptly.
    [*]Boeing must be immediately notified in writing should your certification be suspended or withdrawn, or accreditation status of your CB is withdrawn.
    [*]Boeing-identified findings must be provided to the CB during certification/registration and surveillance audits.
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    Upon receipt of a Major nonconformance from a Boeing auditor, you shall coordinate with the CB in order to provide awareness and description of Corrective Action taken.​

    [*]In the event that Boeing changes your approval status from Approved to Probation, you must make arrangements with your CB for a Special Short-notice Audit (Reference ISO 17021/AS9104 8.2.3). This audit scope will include investigation of nonconformities that resulted in the change of status to Probation and assessment of impact to certification.
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Good for Boeing. :agree1: If the automotive industry did similar things to make TS16949 actually mean something instead of having their ignorant henchmen SQEs pound suppliers over the head for no apparent reason, we'd all be better off.
 
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I would like to ask a question- but not sure where to put it. Searched D6-82479 and saw this thread- thought this might be a good place for it. I have abstracted out the requirements from D6-82479 into a Customer Abstact (anything that my organization does not do in normal practice) and have included the statements above from Sidney.

But we (my organization) are wondering if anyone out there has current experience with Boeing actually currently auditing to D6-82479?? Other suppliers in our industry have not been audited to this standard in years. Our company has been in business for over 11 years (a Boeing supplier) and have never been audited to this standard by Boeing.

Can anyone comment on this?
Thank you,
Koala.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Boeing (Commercial Airplanes - aka BCA) also recently changed their X31764 QUALITY PURCHASING DATA REQUIREMENTS (BCA) document.

One of most noticeable changes is the requirement that used to be present in the Revision B of AS9100 and got deleted in Revision C, concerning the need for periodic validation of the CoC's and test reports for raw materials. The document reads:

Validation of Raw Material Test Reports: When Seller utilizes test reports to accept Seller purchased raw material, the following requirements apply:

Test reports shall be checked 100% against Seller?s requirements and applicable specifications. Validation test requirement: Seller shall periodically validate test reports for raw material accepted on the basis of test reports. That validation shall be accomplished by Seller or other independent party through periodic, scheduled tests of raw material samples. Schedules for frequency of tests will be established by Seller based on historical performance of the raw material supplier.

Seller shall retain test reports provided by the raw material supplier, as well as Seller?s validation test results as quality records traceable to the conformance of Goods, as specified elsewhere in this Contract.
Seller shall have implemented process and procedures for ?Validation of Raw Material Test Reports? effective 10/1/2013.
 
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Buckyb

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I'm assuming that as a Supplier who is AS9100 certified (but only provide ground support equipment to Boeing) that this requirement does not apply since it addresses commercial aircraft. Yes?
 
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I'm assuming that as a Supplier who is AS9100 certified (but only provide ground support equipment to Boeing) that this requirement does not apply since it addresses commercial aircraft. Yes?
Hi Bucky. I am not sure what requirement exactly you are referring to, but, if the BCA (Boeing Commercial Airplanes) document in contractually invoked onto you, you would have to get a formal and written dispensation from the customer.

As you know, the option of identifying non-applicable requirements from the AS9100 standard exists, but it should be limited to the requirements of the standards, NOT customer requirements, and limited to section 7, being duly supported to justify the exclusion.

Unfortunately, the procurement function of many large aerospace OEM's don't differentiate the QMS requirements for flight hardware suppliers to ground equipment and other types of suppliers, which makes for a challenge and unnecessary levels of QMS controls for non-critical aerospace goods and services.
 

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Reg, your comments ring true. I have numerous "unnecessary" levels to our QMS because of Boeing's AS9100 requirement on Suppliers. We receive many Boeing contract/purchase orders for ground support equipment but have never been required to possess more than ISO 9001 QMS requirements in those contracts.
 

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Boeing (Commercial Airplanes - aka BCA {Boeing Commercial Airplanes})

One of most noticeable changes is the requirement that used to be present in the Revision B of AS9100 and got deleted in Revision C, concerning the need for periodic validation of the CoC's and test reports for raw materials. the document reads:

How do they define "raw material supplier?" We mainly buy from distributors. They just pass along the test reports they get from the mill. Is the distributor our raw material supplier, or the mill? I would assume the mill. However, we can't control which products are sent to us. We see some mill names repeated over time, but it isn't guaranteed we will get more from them in the future. So to test each mill would require a massive effort in time and resources. I am new in my position. The way it was done before me, during the rev B era, was to limit it to material type. It was never questioned in numerous audits by the CB and customers. But it doesn't seem right to my inexperienced eyes. But I don't feel that strongly that I could defend spending over 20 times the cost in testing.
 
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