On 4/13/00 10:57 AM, Bidinger, Mark P. [MB3] at [email protected] wrote:
> Hello Marc:
>
> My organization is planning for certification in June of 2001. We are
> working off of the DIS, with the thought that by June 2001 we will have
> registrar's available for certification. We also are concidering a
> contingency plan for the 1994 version, but are really spending our energies
> in DIS, with the thought of worst case we will have to rearrange the quality
> manual and the procedures organization.
>
> any thoughts or suggestions?
I'm working with a company now which is working with the DIS. Even the quality manual will be the DIS. Just make sure you compare each DIS requirement with the applicable 1994 version requirement and do not leave out any requirements from the 1994 version.
I first did this last year. We worked from October 1998 thru April 1999. The company successfully registered (with no problems) in June 1999 - tailored after the draft as it was at that time.
The DIS really isn't much different from the 1994 version, no matter what people say. People are over complicating the changes. Oh sure, you'll hear stuff like "...Take our course! We'll help you with..." I have seen this scare tactic in several areas, including the SPC 'requirement'. The DIS says:
> ...8 Measurement, analysis and improvement
>
> 8.1 Planning
>
> The organization shall define, plan and implement the measurement and
> monitoring activities needed to assure conformity and achieve
> improvement. This shall include the determination of the need for, and
> use of, applicable methodologies including statistical techniques.
This is the same thing the 1994 version says. Determination of the need for is the critical factor. I have 2 clients who do not do any statistical analysis of any kind. They pass the audit because they can show evidence of a yearly review (during management review) of the need for, and value of, any statistical techniques within the organization, including:
> ...8.2.3 Measurement and monitoring of processes
>
> The organization shall apply suitable methods for measurement and
> monitoring of those realization processes necessary to meet customer
> requirements. These methods shall confirm the continuing ability of
> each process to satisfy its intended purpose.
>
> 8.2.4 Measurement and monitoring of product
>
> The organization shall measure and monitor the characteristics of the
> product to verify that requirements for the product are met. This
> shall be carried out at appropriate stages of the product realization
> process.
>
> Evidence of conformity with the acceptance criteria shall be
> documented. Records shall indicate the authority responsible for
> release of product (see 5.5.7).
>
> Product release and service delivery shall not proceed until all the
> specified activities have been satisfactorily completed, unless
> otherwise approved by the customer.
I should point out these are small companies of less than 20 employees.
A quality manual is no big deal. Tailor the text of the DIS and add your procedure references. Changing later is no big deal.
Procedures should be 'arranged' in a way that makes sense for your company - not tailored after the DIS. You can, but I wouldn't. I suggest arranging procedures by functional group or area.
> Hello Marc:
>
> My organization is planning for certification in June of 2001. We are
> working off of the DIS, with the thought that by June 2001 we will have
> registrar's available for certification. We also are concidering a
> contingency plan for the 1994 version, but are really spending our energies
> in DIS, with the thought of worst case we will have to rearrange the quality
> manual and the procedures organization.
>
> any thoughts or suggestions?
I'm working with a company now which is working with the DIS. Even the quality manual will be the DIS. Just make sure you compare each DIS requirement with the applicable 1994 version requirement and do not leave out any requirements from the 1994 version.
I first did this last year. We worked from October 1998 thru April 1999. The company successfully registered (with no problems) in June 1999 - tailored after the draft as it was at that time.
The DIS really isn't much different from the 1994 version, no matter what people say. People are over complicating the changes. Oh sure, you'll hear stuff like "...Take our course! We'll help you with..." I have seen this scare tactic in several areas, including the SPC 'requirement'. The DIS says:
> ...8 Measurement, analysis and improvement
>
> 8.1 Planning
>
> The organization shall define, plan and implement the measurement and
> monitoring activities needed to assure conformity and achieve
> improvement. This shall include the determination of the need for, and
> use of, applicable methodologies including statistical techniques.
This is the same thing the 1994 version says. Determination of the need for is the critical factor. I have 2 clients who do not do any statistical analysis of any kind. They pass the audit because they can show evidence of a yearly review (during management review) of the need for, and value of, any statistical techniques within the organization, including:
> ...8.2.3 Measurement and monitoring of processes
>
> The organization shall apply suitable methods for measurement and
> monitoring of those realization processes necessary to meet customer
> requirements. These methods shall confirm the continuing ability of
> each process to satisfy its intended purpose.
>
> 8.2.4 Measurement and monitoring of product
>
> The organization shall measure and monitor the characteristics of the
> product to verify that requirements for the product are met. This
> shall be carried out at appropriate stages of the product realization
> process.
>
> Evidence of conformity with the acceptance criteria shall be
> documented. Records shall indicate the authority responsible for
> release of product (see 5.5.7).
>
> Product release and service delivery shall not proceed until all the
> specified activities have been satisfactorily completed, unless
> otherwise approved by the customer.
I should point out these are small companies of less than 20 employees.
A quality manual is no big deal. Tailor the text of the DIS and add your procedure references. Changing later is no big deal.
Procedures should be 'arranged' in a way that makes sense for your company - not tailored after the DIS. You can, but I wouldn't. I suggest arranging procedures by functional group or area.