Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

[asutherland]

Re: 5s+1 Shot Down

Aren't all safety programs based on preventing accidents? Isn't that the whole idea? In the 6S scheme of things, spilled oil would be part of cleaning, and preventing the oil from leaking in the first place would be safety.

To take this one step further, anything we do, not just in a safety program, should be considered for caution when a potential hazard may occur. As for preventing the leak from occuring, I would tend to think that this would fall under TPM.

As for RC's comments . . . . I have to agree with him.

Leave 5's alone.

Unless of course there's money in it.

 

[djhopkix]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

We already have a Good Catch/Near Miss program and a Safety Management by Walking Around SMBWA program where safety audits are performed in a specific area and the results posted. This system works fairly well by itself. The GC/NM program works well also, employees receive a "safety buck" that can be used onsite at the cafe or vending machines when they report a Good Catch. SMBWA AR's are tracked and followed up on by management.

Corporate wants to eventually see that the SMBWA goes away and is incorporated into 5s. Not sure that this can happen even though when you are looking for 5s items during an audit. Everything should be captured that is safety related considering if it is not "right" it should be caught.

Update on the Continuous Improvement Team- This week we start taking pictures, Sorting and Red Tagging. Should be fun!

 

[super_all]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

I am of the same opinion as yourself. At the company I am currently working for, we conduct the 5 s methodology. However we have talked about adding a 6th S for safety.

I am very confused as to exactly how to incorporate Safety into the model. For example where exactly does Safety come into the model? Is it after Shine? Or set order?

AS you have already asked, what items do you specifically check for during a 5S (or rather 6S) check/audit that are soley Safety related?

One thing I can think of (maybe) is safety clothes, where would that be checked in the 5S model?

 

[wmarhel]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

I am very confused as to exactly how to incorporate Safety into the model. For example where exactly does Safety come into the model? Is it after Shine? Or set order?

Safety should be at the forefront of the entire process as mentioned earlier, not just until you reach a certain point.

Wayne

 

[wmarhel]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

I'm sorry, but, yeah, I do see this becoming extremely complicated, top-heavy, user-unfriendly and just difficult to maintain...6Ss...then 7...

Too right! I've seen consulting groups market 7S and even a 5S+2 program. Needless to say, neither of those consulting groups would ever step foot into one of my facilities. If I went outside for some additional Lean resources, the number of candidate consultancies would be counted on one hand.

The one legitimate instance of an additional "S" was related to Security. For that particular company/environment, it made sense. They used it as a guiding principle for their 5S process that tied training in their specific security requirements into both 5S and their kaizen process.

Wayne

 

[Stijloor]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

Too right! I've seen consulting groups market 7S and even a 5S+2 program. Needless to say, neither of those consulting groups would ever step foot into one of my facilities. If I went outside for some additional Lean resources, the number of candidate consultancies would be counted on one hand.

The one legitimate instance of an additional "S" was related to Security. For that particular company/environment, it made sense. They used it as a guiding principle for their 5S process that tied training in their specific security requirements into both 5S and their kaizen process.

Wayne

Anything for a buck! More wrap, ribbons and bows; package has to look good, it sells!! Who cares about the contents?

Stijloor.

 

[super_all]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

Safety should be at the forefront of the entire process as mentioned earlier, not just until you reach a certain point.

Wayne

Thanks Wayne.

There is just one more issue which requires further clarification.

What still is not clear (even if you incorporate Safety into all the elements of 5S) is where issues such as safety clothes or fire procedures would be checked in the 5S model? For issues such as these, presumably companies either “add” an additional S for Safety or have a completely separate Safety committee?

 

[wmarhel]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

What still is not clear (even if you incorporate Safety into all the elements of 5S) is where issues such as safety clothes or fire procedures would be checked in the 5S model? For issues such as these, presumably companies either “add” an additional S for Safety or have a completely separate Safety committee?

Fair question. Using the U.S. as an example, our workplaces our governed by OSHA (Occupational Safety & Health Administration) requirements, which is a Federal Government organization. These are then usually managed by the individual States.

One example is that these OSHA rules, specify things such as PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) that is mandatory, types of guarding that are required to be in place, and even elements such as dust and sound levels. So even though a person or group may be trying to reduce the waste present within an area, they are already required by law to conform to the applicable regulations.

Now, using visual aids to identify safety hazards is a great method, and in some cases required by law through the use of signage, floor marking, etc. That being said, there is nothing within the 5S practices that claim to ignore either required safety practices or common sense. Ultimately, 5S is about the removal of waste and creating a visual management system.

For most companies, it is hard enough to get solid 5S results. Most stop at sorting and cleaning and proclaim success. If that is their measure of success great. But 5S is really about organizing an area, facility or business, into one that is highly visual which allows for identification, understanding and self-regulation.

Wayne

 

[RoxaneB]

Re: Seeking Information About 5S+ (or 6S) - How Safety is incorporated into 5S

What still is not clear (even if you incorporate Safety into all the elements of 5S) is where issues such as safety clothes or fire procedures would be checked in the 5S model? For issues such as these, presumably companies either “add” an additional S for Safety or have a completely separate Safety committee?

Donning company uniforms and gear that comply with organization and safety requirements would fall under "Standardize" in my opinion. Your procedures have hopefully mandated which personal protective equipment is to be utilized per activity/job...people have hopefully been trained on these procedures. During a 5S audit, we ascertined the degree of compliance to our company standards...hence standardization.

Fire extinguishers, considered "equipment" were looked at during a 5S audit and depending on the finding, there would be a discrepancy noted against the appropriate S...example:

• Fire extinguisher sign but no fire extinguisher - Sort
• Fire extinguisher not inspected - Standardize
• Fire extinguisher hanging on wall but empty - Standaridze (or Sustain depending on department's past history of this).