Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF 16949 Standard

dubrizo

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Hi all,

I thought it would be good to kick off a conversation where we can talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly with the release of the IATF standard.

I almost always derive value from hearing/listening to insight from others and often feel more informed based on opinions, suggestions, and generalized thoughts.

To start things off; my initial impressions:
-Risk is emphasized far greater than it is in the ISO 9001:2015 standard
-Top management's role has expanded explicitly to several more areas
-ISO 9001:2015 did away with required QM and procedures, but IATF has said nope to that (7.5.1.1), and have taken the total opposite approach... see below
-Far more required documented procedures, processes, and policies (cursory review puts the number to at least 23). Please take the below list with a large grain of salt as I compiled it during 1 pass through of the standard.

Product Safety (4.4.1.2)
Corporate responsibility (5.1.1.1)
Contingency plans (6.1.2.3)
Calibration/verification records (7.1.5.2.1)
Training (7.2.1)
Internal auditor competency (7.2.3)
Employee motivation and empowerment (7.3.2)
Quality management system documentation (7.5.1.1)
Record Retention (7.5.3.2.1)
Engineering specifications (7.5.3.2.2)
Design and development of products and services (8.3.1.1)
Supplier selection process (8.4.1.2)
Type and extent of control (8.4.2.1)
Supplier monitoring (8.4.2.4)
Total productive maintenance (8.5.1.5)
Management of production tooling and manufacturing, test, inspection, tooling and equipment (8.5.1.6)
Control of changes (8.5.6.1)
Nonconforming product disposition (8.7.1.7)
Internal audit program (9.2.2.1)
Error-proofing (10.2.4)
Continual improvement(10.3.1)
5.1.1.1 Organization shall define and implement, at minimum, the following policies:
1. Anti-bribery policy
2. Ethics escalation policy (“whistle-blowing policy”)
*Work instructions shall include rules for operator safety (8.5.1.2)


Added:

Control of reworked product (8.7.1.4)
Control of repaired product (8.7.1.5)
Problem solving (10.2.3)
 
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Re: Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF Standard

My initial first pass impression -- they need to give A-Rod his needles back. This thing is jacked up on steroids. Seems to me more of a big company, big bureaucracy standard. A lot of work with questionable value for smaller companies with a mix bag of auto and non-auto work.
 
#6
No, although that would probably be more appropriate in this case. It's spelled "Management" in the upper left of the cover, then spelled "managment" in the title, as in "Quality managment system requirements for automotive production and relevant service..." Funny thing, the inside first page is a duplicate of the cover (not glossy though) and it's spelled correctly there. At least they spelled Quality right!
 

howste

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#7
No, although that would probably be more appropriate in this case. It's spelled "Management" in the upper left of the cover, then spelled "managment" in the title, as in "Quality managment system requirements for automotive production and relevant service..." Funny thing, the inside first page is a duplicate of the cover (not glossy though) and it's spelled correctly there. At least they spelled Quality right!
I hope your incoming inspection rejected it and you requested a supplier corrective action... :cool:
 
#9
No, but it means you need to purchase a copy of ISO 9001:2015 to hold in your right hand with the IATF 16949 in your left (or vice versa for lefties or those in the southern hemisphere). Anyway, they're not combined into one document like they were with ISO/TS 16949:2009. I paid about $170 USD for my copy of ISO 9001:2015.
 

howste

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#10
No, but it means you need to purchase a copy of ISO 9001:2015 to hold in your right hand with the IATF 16949 in your left (or vice versa for lefties or those in the southern hemisphere). Anyway, they're not combined into one document like they were with ISO/TS 16949:2009. I paid about $170 USD for my copy of ISO 9001:2015.
Too bad you bought it from a "local" source. ISO 9001 can be purchased from many national sources at a variety of prices for the same content. Malaysia seems to be the bargain basement right now. Here's a post from another thread that could have saved you $158:

Good point. It appears that the Malaysian version MS ISO 9001:2015 is selling for 50 Malaysian Ringgit. That's approximately 12 US Dollars.

http://www.msonline.gov.my/catalog.php
 
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