Integrated (ISO 9001 & 14001 and OHSAS 18001) Management Review Meetings

lakshit

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Hi friends,
This is infact my first post on the message board. We, at our organization, are certified to ISO 9001:2000, ISO 14001:2004 and OHSAS 18001:1999, and integrated all 3 of them to form the Q-SHE ( Quality, Saftey, Health and environmental ) Management system. Now one requirement of all the 3 standards is to conduct management review at defined intervals to review the status of progress of the three systems. What I'd like to know is how can I design the management review meeting wherein all the requirements of all the 3 standards are reviewed and documented.
Please note that the management reviews are conducted every six months, but practically I am finding it very difficult to cover each clause of all the 3 standards in 1 meeting of top management.

So kindly advise

Regards
Lakshit
 
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Randy

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

Review of the the clauses of the standards is not a requirement for management review and probably wasted time.

All that has to go into the the management review are the "Inputs" from ISO 9001-5.6.2;ISO 14001-4.6 and OHSAS 18001-4.6. Nothing more and nothing less.

If someone tells you different they're full of rubbish.
 

lakshit

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

But the TUV auditor who conducted the certification audit asked for all clauses to be covered in the management review, as an assessment of the complete system. That's why the problem arose. Otherwise things had been going fine earlier, when BSI used to audit us
 

Paul Simpson

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

But the TUV auditor who conducted the certification audit asked for all clauses to be covered in the management review, as an assessment of the complete system. That's why the problem arose. Otherwise things had been going fine earlier, when BSI used to audit us
Randy is right. There is no requirement to cover each clause in management review. Your auditor is missing the point. Point him at the Cove! :lol:
 

Randy

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

But the TUV auditor who conducted the certification audit asked for all clauses to be covered in the management review, as an assessment of the complete system. That's why the problem arose. Otherwise things had been going fine earlier, when BSI used to audit us

Your TUV auditor is totally wrong, and absolutely incorrect and I publically say so.

Your internal audit must show that all applicable requirements have been assessed and have been effectively implemented. All that is required of management is to review the results of the audit, the performance of your system and make decisions based on what those results are.

Maybe you should have stayed with BSI;)
 
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amanbhai

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

This monday I audited an organization. They showed the management review meeting. I noticed was they do for the meeeting is 1. Prepare powerpoint presentation, 2. minutes of the meeting.
From presentation it is shown that certain points are addressed like audits or corrective preventive actions but from minutes it could not be seen that anything has been discussed.
 
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CliffK

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

This monday I audited an organization. They showed the management review meeting. I noticed was they do for the meeeting is 1. Prepare powerpoint presentation, 2. minutes of the meeting.
From presentation it is shown that certain points are addressed like audits or corrective preventive actions but from minutes it could not be seen that anything has been discussed.
Do you think this is a problem?

What did the management rep say about it?

Maybe they handle the outputs on an exception basis, so that comments would only appear in the minutes if action were required.
 

lakshit

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

But what's the problem if they are addressing the issues and taking decisions by means of a powerpoint presentations. Even we are following the same procedure and it really works.

Lakshit
 

SteelMaiden

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

First to get the first topic out of the way, listen to Randy, he's right, if your auditor thinks otherwise, ask him to point out where his requirement came from.

second, about the powerpoint management review. The important part of management review imho...is not how the review is presented, but the output of the meeting. If the output is that the system is working and doesn't need to be fixed, so be it. (although in that case, it would be nice to see some actions items for preventive measures, instead of corrections to the system) Show that some sort of decisions were made for each of the management review requirements. Fix it, leave it be, tweak it. It doesn't matter if the review was by telephone, fax, powerpoint, or a novela. What was the outcome?
 

lakshit

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Re: Integrated Management Review meetings

Thanks guys for the inputs. One thing more, we use the following format for documenting the minutes of management review meeting. The agenda covers all the input requirements of management review, I presume. So if you guys can just go through it and offer a piece of advise!!!!!!!!
 

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