Integrating ISO 14001 & 9001 into OHSAS 18001

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ChrissieO

#51
We are currently looking at integrating our 14001 & 18001 MSs. Both are very mature systems and over the last 3- 4 years, in pracitse we have integrated them in many ways, i.e. with management responsibility, mamagement review and auditing .

I now really just need to pull the documentation together and iron out a few areas still un-integrated.

My feeling is that we should have one Policy but I do not want this to be lengthy and wordy. Our EMS/SMS engineer thinks we should have two seperate policies but my feelings are that this is defeating the object of an integrated system.

Has anyone got a sample of an integrated policy. I have done the ground work on the new manual but do not want to go any further until I have a draft policy in place as I feel that this should be a contributing factor, along with compliance to the 2 standards.

All help gratefully received.

TY:agree:

Cxx
 
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scotzr

#52
Sounds like you've done the bulk of the work with integrating. We completed our 14001 / 18001 registration in Oct 08, and we integrated the HSE systems with our existing quality system. Instead of a quality manual, we have an integrated management systems manual, and also an integrated quality and HSE policy:

<Company Name Here> is dedicated to producing well-engineered, error-free products and services in a manner that safeguards the well-being of our employees and the environment.
We are committed to:
  • Providing quality products and services that fully satisfy our customers’ requirements
  • Conservation of resources and the prevention of pollution
  • Prevention of injury and illness
  • Compliance with legal requirements
  • Continual improvement in all that we do
These commitments are the personal responsibility of each employee.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#53
Policy? This isn't rocket science

"We the ABC Company a manufacturer of stuff promise to do our best to control our potential for adverse environmental impact occupational injuries and ill health through the establishement and echievement of EHS related objectives while also complying with applicable EHS legal requirements of other EHS related obligations, all on a continual improving basis"

Took about 45 seconds to write.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#54
We are currently looking at integrating our 14001 & 18001 MSs. Both are very mature systems and over the last 3- 4 years, in pracitse we have integrated them in many ways, i.e. with management responsibility, mamagement review and auditing .

I now really just need to pull the documentation together and iron out a few areas still un-integrated.

My feeling is that we should have one Policy but I do not want this to be lengthy and wordy. Our EMS/SMS engineer thinks we should have two seperate policies but my feelings are that this is defeating the object of an integrated system.

Has anyone got a sample of an integrated policy. I have done the ground work on the new manual but do not want to go any further until I have a draft policy in place as I feel that this should be a contributing factor, along with compliance to the 2 standards.

All help gratefully received.

TY:agree:

Cxx
It should be very easy for you to finish this. I'm curious, though, most parts of the 14001 and 18001 standards are almost identical, word for word. What effort do you see will be required to combine those?
 
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adityadelhi

#55
In case of Transport management business , Following may be the key benefits :

ISO 14001 :

a) You may decide the Objectives and targets pertaining to Pollution reduction by improving the Emission Quality from vehicles hence benefitting the environment and increasing the mileage of your owned vehicles .
b) Timely maintenance of the fleet not only improves the mileage but also reduces wear and tear hence helping in cost reduction and eliminating overheads.

OHSAS 18001 :

a) Trainings may be imparted to the fleet employees (drivers / attendants) hence maintaining high safety standards awareness which shall result in reducing the accident rate.
b) Trainings regarding first aid shall also help
c) Routine Health Check ups shall improve the morale of the employees.

You may drop mail to me for further inputs also.

Regards
Aditya Singh (India)


Dear Mr.Randy,
Could you let us know what benefit the integratiing ISO 14001& 9001, OHSAS 18001 bring to bussiness?
 
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ChrissieO

#56
Can anyone pick any holes in this or do you think it will surfice:-


The continuous improvement of the Environment, Health, Safety and Welfare of the people associated with (company name) is the Company’s number one priority.

This will be achieved by:

•complying with the (parent company name) Environmental, Health & Safety Policies

•meeting or exceeding the standards set by UK or European legislation, the (parent company name) and the Warehousing and Transportation Industry

putting into practice the (company name) EHS Principles and Responsibilities.

• conservation of resources and the prevention of pollution

• prevention of injury and illness


In support of this policy, we will recognise significant contributions of individuals and teams in making quantifiable improvements to the environment, health & safety, and gain recognition for our improvements through accredited bodies.


Cxx
 

John Broomfield

Staff member
Super Moderator
#57
Can anyone pick any holes in this or do you think it will surfice:-


The continuous improvement of the Environment, Health, Safety and Welfare of the people associated with (company name) is the Company’s number one priority.

This will be achieved by:

•complying with the (parent company name) Environmental, Health & Safety Policies

•meeting or exceeding the standards set by UK or European legislation, the (parent company name) and the Warehousing and Transportation Industry

putting into practice the (company name) EHS Principles and Responsibilities.

• conservation of resources and the prevention of pollution

• prevention of injury and illness


In support of this policy, we will recognise significant contributions of individuals and teams in making quantifiable improvements to the environment, health & safety, and gain recognition for our improvements through accredited bodies.


Cxx
Chrissie,

If the leaders require the employees (and other team members) to use and improve their system to fulfill this policy then I would say so in the policy (likewise in the documented objectives).

Jon
 
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#58
Hello!
I believe behind this kind of discussion there is a fundamental difference in trade point of view of or professional culture between ones and others.

I explain: does we consider the systems of management (and their possible integration) like a tool for such or such field of action or responsibility of the company? Or in contrary does we regards quality, environment or health & safety as simple raw material for a system of management. What is our objective our finality : the system for the system or for example the health and the safety of our employers?

From this alternative rises many different analysis, divergences and choices. Integrated or not we can write a policy in few minutes. But does it be relevant and significative for the entity considered and its action in such management field (OHS, E, Q…)? Does it meet really requirements of such standard (international or national) applied in a way to such entity?

A small test: take a policy, remove the name and the logo of the entity and read again it by forgetting its origin… Do you guess in which sector of industry you are? Do you identify current probematics which arising in the entity? If you do not success this policy is not significant of the entity. This "impersonal" policy quotes general concepts but don't expresses particular and current wills and axes of the entity manager.

This risk ("empty" policy) seems even greater to me with an integrated policy… Bye.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#59
... Integrated or not we can write a policy in few minutes. But does it be relevant and significative for the entity considered and its action in such management field (OHS, E, Q…)? Does it meet really requirements of such standard (international or national) applied in a way to such entity?

A small test: take a policy, remove the name and the logo of the entity and read again it by forgetting its origin… Do you guess in which sector of industry you are? Do you identify current probematics which arising in the entity? If you do not success this policy is not significant of the entity. This "impersonal" policy quotes general concepts but don't expresses particular and current wills and axes of the entity manager.

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I have perfomed 1000+ audits. I do not recall ever seeing a policy that was industry specific, for any of these 3 standards. Policies typically are broad - Continual Improvement, Reduce Pollution, Create a Safe Shop, etc... The more industry-specific policies tend to be stated in the Objectives and Targets. Now, it is compliant if you wish to make the policy specific, but I would not say it is empty or hollow. These are very good companies but their policies are broadly stated.
 

John Broomfield

Staff member
Super Moderator
#60
Hello!
I believe behind this kind of discussion there is a fundamental difference in trade point of view of or professional culture between ones and others.

I explain: does we consider the systems of management (and their possible integration) like a tool for such or such field of action or responsibility of the company? Or in contrary does we regards quality, environment or health & safety as simple raw material for a system of management. What is our objective our finality : the system for the system or for example the health and the safety of our employers?

From this alternative rises many different analysis, divergences and choices. Integrated or not we can write a policy in few minutes. But does it be relevant and significative for the entity considered and its action in such management field (OHS, E, Q…)? Does it meet really requirements of such standard (international or national) applied in a way to such entity?

A small test: take a policy, remove the name and the logo of the entity and read again it by forgetting its origin… Do you guess in which sector of industry you are? Do you identify current probematics which arising in the entity? If you do not success this policy is not significant of the entity. This "impersonal" policy quotes general concepts but don't expresses particular and current wills and axes of the entity manager.

This risk ("empty" policy) seems even greater to me with an integrated policy… Bye.
Henria,

I see two types of system:

  1. The system used to run the business conforms to the standards
  2. Discrete sub-systems conform to the standard but are not used to run the business
In my experience 1 is better than 2 because top management is engaged.

Too often 2 is run as a job for quality, environmental, and/or health and safety professionals.

Are you saying that 2 is better than 1?
 
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