Internal Audit for an Integrated Management System (IMS)?

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Affour

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Need some tips..If we were to implement Integrated Management System i.e. to integrate ISO9001QMS, ISO14001EMS and OHSAS18001, besides having IMS Manual, shall we integrate the internal audit ? Or a combined audit will do?:(
 
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Re: Internal Audit for IMS

Need some tips..If we were to implement Integrated Management System i.e. to integrate ISO9001QMS, ISO14001EMS and OHSAS18001, besides having IMS Manual, shall we integrate the internal audit ? Or a combined audit will do?:(
It is not a "shall" looking at the standard you mention.
You shall have a documented procedure for the internal audit and , if you want, you can perform them in integrated manner, looking at the aspect of QMS, EMS and HSS. This is up to organization.
You shall plan the audit in organizaed manner , looking the processes and how the requirements of the mentioned standards are fullfilled as well as the ones related to the internal procedures.
You shall have qualified auditors to do this, in the three standards.:bigwave:
 
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Re: Internal Audit for IMS

Need some tips..If we were to implement Integrated Management System i.e. to integrate ISO9001QMS, ISO14001EMS and OHSAS18001, besides having IMS Manual, shall we integrate the internal audit ? Or a combined audit will do?:(
To me, they are the same thing: Integrated and combined...

What is the difference you see between the two?
 
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Re: Internal Audit for IMS

shall we integrate the internal audit ? Or a combined audit will do?:(
Like the others I am not entirely sure about your distinction between integrated and combined, but: We have integrated the standards you mentioned (and then some), into a single IMS, and our audits are as integrated as we can possibly make them.

Personally I can see lots of reasons to integrate the audits, and absolutely no reason not to. Some major positive aspects are:
  • Integrated audits reflects an integrated system better than separate audits acc the respective standards.
  • It saves time, for both auditors and those subjected to audits.
  • It creates a feel for the entire IMS, not just parts of it.
/Claes
 
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Affour

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Re: Internal Audit for IMS

Thanks AndyN and Claes,
What i meant with integrated audit is an audit is carry out by an auditor who have been trained to audit the three mgmt system in one audit, while combined audit is an audit is carried out by say three auditors where each of them are trained to audit one mgmt system each.
 
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Re: Internal Audit for IMS

Thanks AndyN and Claes,
What i meant with integrated audit is an audit is carry out by an auditor who have been trained to audit the three mgmt system in one audit, while combined audit is an audit is carried out by say three auditors where each of them are trained to audit one mgmt system each.
We have been managing multiple management systems, (IMS with 4 management systems and 2 regulatory) and Internal auditing being an universal question about its strength., we have adopted seperate audit streams for similar systems. Viz, the various QMS like the 9001 & 13485 along with regulatory requirements being one stream and the ISO14k and OHSAS18k being the other. It has been working well so far and I recommed this style.
Aaah., Welcome to the cove Affour, and look to see more of your involvement here.
 
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Thanks AndyN and Claes,
What i meant with integrated audit is an audit is carry out by an auditor who have been trained to audit the three mgmt system in one audit, while combined audit is an audit is carried out by say three auditors where each of them are trained to audit one mgmt system each.
Oh, I see. In our case it depends on the auditors: Some of them are savvy in all standards concerned, and some are not, so we put teams covering the entire IMS together for each audit. It works for us.

Welcome to the cove Affour, and look to see more of your involvement here.
I agree. I missed the fact that you are a new poster, so: Welcome to the Cove :bigwave:

/Claes
 

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Oh, I see. In our case it depends on the auditors: Some of them are savvy in all standards concerned, and some are not, so we put teams covering the entire IMS together for each audit. It works for us.

I agree. I missed the fact that you are a new poster, so: Welcome to the Cove :bigwave:

/Claes
Agree with you.
It depends on the competence of the auditors.
Clearly it is also important the selection of the lead auditor.
Besides, it is also key the audit plan well done for each internal audit, in fact the risk could be that if there are too thing to be assessed, the audit could loose in effectiveness.
The team work between auditor is also important.:bigwave:
 
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Affour

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So these means that by having integrated the three mgmt system, it is not a compulsary to have an integrated audit (refer to my definition earlier)...correct me if i am wrong...
Thanks for welcoming me...lots of things to learn from u guys..haha.:thanks:
 
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