Internal Audit Nonconformances must be Closed prior to Registration?

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galcantar

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Is a ISO/TS16949:2002 requierement to close all nonconformances found during internal audit before a certification audit be conducted ?
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I feel, It is not necessary to close all internal audit NCs. But , yes, There must be some action Plan and some sort of working on all open NC.
 
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galcantar

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We will have our certification audit on ISO/TS and the auditor is requesting that all nonconformances be closed and supported by then, any other experiences ?
Thanks
 
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Teri - 2011

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galcantar said:
We will have our certification audit on ISO/TS and the auditor is requesting that all nonconformances be closed and supported by then, any other experiences ?
Thanks
Yes, we had to have all of our internal N/C's closed prior to regristration audit also.
 
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galcantar

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Teri said:
Yes, we had to have all of our internal N/C's closed prior to regristration audit also.
Teri;Is this a ISO/TS requirement ? Where I can find it ?. Thanks
 
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Hmm, that seems silly. What if you've identified a problem that needs time to be fixed EFFECTIVELY. What does the day of the audit have to do with the status/progress of your internal n/c's? :confused:

I'd be interested to know where this requirement is.
 
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Teri - 2011

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If a non-conformance is found during registration, you do not get registration, they write the n/c, then have to come back to close it out. So,,,,,,,,,if internally you have found an n/c how could they NOT write it?

Pg. 15 & 16 of the rules book talks about it. (esp. 16) Take a look and let me know how you read it?
 
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Kevin H

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Closing NonConformances

We were upgrading from being jointly certified to ISO 9001:200 & QS-9000 to being jointly certified to ISO 9001:2000 and ISO/TS 16949. Our auditor did not require that all nonconformances identified in internal audits be closed before the upgrade audit occured. We had open nonconformances, but with plans to address them and a time table when we had our audit and were recommended for ISO/TS registration.
 
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Teri - 2011

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Pg. 17

"certificates will be issued only if there is 100% compliance to the requirements"

Not sure how you were recommended, prior to implementing & verifiying CAR's
 
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Kevin H

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Teri, I presume you're referring to pages 16-18 of the certification scheme. The rules there apply to your external registration auditor and your registrar.

Nonconformances identified by internal audits with responses and plans for corrective action are not typically carried over by the external auditor as a nonconformance. (I've never had one carried over to the external audit in 16 years of direct quality involvement - but suppose it would be possible if the nonconformance was a really egregious one - such as a major system fault.) In fact they are evidence that your system is working. I suppose if you hadn't corrected and cleared up most nonconformances, your external registration auditor could write up a nonconformance based on that. All the auditors I've dealt with have taken a reasonable approach to audit nonconformances, as long as most of them are closed, and there are legitimate plans to address the others it has not been a problem.
 
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