Internal Auditor Training - Who is Allowed to Train Internal Auditors?

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Ken B.

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Who is Allowed to train internal auditors?

We have recently lost one of our internal auditors. What are the guide lines for who is qualified to train a new auditor. Our Consualtant trained us when we Certified. Can we train new auditors ourselves? Thanks in advance.
 
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Ken B. said:
We have recently lost one of our internal auditors. What are the guide lines for who is qualified to train a new auditor. Our Consualtant trained us when we Certified. Can we train new auditors ourselves? Thanks in advance.
A lot of that depends on your customer. If you have no customer requirements (like Ford), then it is up to you. Even on-the-job training could be sufficient. In most cases, formal training is better because of the expertise of the instructor, but it is not required. There are other threads on auditor training you might want to look at. Also, look in the Training Forum.

Hope that helps.
 
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CINDY

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Ken,

If you are a Ford Supplier, they have specified specific training. Otherwise, so long as you have a documented systems that includes the specifics, you should be fine. We send our Internal Auditors out for training and then follow up with internal training to our processes. This method has worked well for us. You do not have to seek outside training. There are manuals you can purchase to do inside training or make your own. You do need to consider which standard will be audited and what the requirements are for that standard. You may also want to review and document what qualities your company thinks a auditor should possess. :confused:

Cindy
 

Randy

Super Moderator
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I normally side with db and Cindy, but they're leading you down a dark path with a dim light.

1st, you need to determine what is the goal of the audit, the topics that must be included in training to help develop the competence to achieve the goal , and how much training is necessary.

2nd, you better make sure that any trainer you use is competent in the subject matter themselves and is actually capable of delivering the material as required.

3rd, you need to determine how to assess the effectiveness of your training.

There are some things to remember regardless of the type of management system auditor we're looking at...this actually goes for everyone within a "system".

1) Roles, responsibilities and authorties must be defined.

2) Training needs to accomplish #1 must be determined

3) Programs to accomplish training needs must be developed

4) Methodology to assess or determine the effectiveness of training must be developed

5) The trainers need to have 1-4 applied to them too.

You want to develop your auditors? Get a copy of ISO 19011 and refer to Clause 7. Change the should's to shall's and then do them.
 
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Greg B

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Ken B,
I agree with Randy but the simple answer is YES you can train the auditors yourself. However, We make sure all of our auditors have completed a reputable course. We give them a separate job description and terms of reference. They do in-house training and assessments to ensure they are ready for the show and then we let them loose. They are also then assessed periodically.

Go to the following thread as there are a lot of good answers about auditor training http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=7013

Greg B
 
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Randy said:
I normally side with db and Cindy, but they're leading you down a dark path with a dim light.
And when that happens, you have to really watch your step! :agree: I guess the difference between formal and informal training is who's light do you have confidence in (for the price).
 
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Have one person in your organization attend a reputable auditor trainoing course; whether it is ASQ certified auditor, 9K2K, TS2 or any of the other pertinent (to your organization) auditing schemes. Then have that person establish the training program.
As I see it, and I may have missed some fine print somewhere, there is no requirement for any organization implementing 9K2K or TS2 to have auditors trained by a third party.
 
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Sam said:
As I see it, and I may have missed some fine print somewhere, there is no requirement for any organization implementing 9K2K or TS2 to have auditors trained by a third party.
The Ford requirement for TS comes close, but other than that, you are correct.
 

howste

Thaumaturge
Super Moderator
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My take is this: If you want the training to be effective, use an effective trainer! Randy has some great advice above. And remember - "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional, try hiring an amateur first."
 

Cari Spears

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Staff member
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Sam said:
Have one person in your organization attend a reputable auditor trainoing course; whether it is ASQ certified auditor, 9K2K, TS2 or any of the other pertinent (to your organization) auditing schemes. Then have that person establish the training program...
Without addressing customer specific requirements, which I know nothing about...

This is what we did. The company I worked for (this is back about 10 years ago) sent me to an AIAG Internal Auditing Coarse - 3 days. I came back and taught our internal auditors. I must mention though, I'm a good student (please pardon the shameless brag) - and I had previous experience in giving classes and conducting small workshops in the Army and in the shops I worked in. I haven't taken an auditing class since, when I started a new job - I trained the auditors. If you choose to do it this way - give a lot of consideration to the person you send to the class.
 
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