Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal auditor?

Randy

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Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Auditors should possess personal attributes to enable them to act in accordance with the principles of auditing described in clause 4.
An auditor should be: (should, but not really necessary?)
a) ethical, i.e. fair, truthful, sincere, honest and discreet; (one of them paid me back a buck I loaned)
b) open-minded, i.e. willing to consider alternative ideas or points of view; (some of them are Republicans)
c) diplomatic, i.e. tactful in dealing with people; (we can't have guns at work)
d) observant, i.e. actively aware of physical surroundings and activities; (one guy got lost for 2 days)
e) perceptive, i.e. instinctively aware of and able to understand situations; (huh?)
f) versatile, i.e. adjusts readily to different situations; (all of them drive cars from the 80's)
g) tenacious, i.e. persistent, focused on achieving objectives; (they always show up on payday)
h) decisive, i.e. reaches timely conclusions based on logical reasoning and analysis; and (maybe tomorrow)
i) self-reliant, i.e. acts and functions independently while interacting effectively with others. (mommy, help me)
The Principles of Auditing and the Attributes of Auditors are two seperate things as specifically stated in ISO 19011:2002.
 
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Colin

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#22
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Thank you all, I am however still unsure if I have to have people officially trained by for example BSI or ASQ or if we can determine our own standards, for example I conducted internal audits in the pharmaceutical industry, can I do ISO 13485internal audits or not?
:thanx:
As has been stated in the thread, competence is more important than training in this situation. However, to become competent often involves being trained and the typical 2 day course will normally be viewed as appropriate training.

My main judgement of the competence of internal auditors is to look at some of the audit reports. Are they acceptable to you as a company? Do they cover the appropriate points for the scope of the audit? Do they contain sufficient objective evidence of what was seen (good and bad)? Are any NC's/Obs raised valid and well written? etc.
 
Q

Q.A. Info.

#23
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Hello,
This is a little off the topic. I am the Management Rep for the QMS. I am tasked with bringing our company to ISO 14001 and 9001 certification. I would like to go to lead auditor training but would like the company to pay the expense. What benefits to the company would there be for a trained and certified lead audtitor. I am responsible for all of the QMS.
 
#24
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Hello,
This is a little off the topic. I am the Management Rep for the QMS. I am tasked with bringing our company to ISO 14001 and 9001 certification. I would like to go to lead auditor training but would like the company to pay the expense. What benefits to the company would there be for a trained and certified lead audtitor. I am responsible for all of the QMS.
Welcome!

Just for clarification's sake - do you intend to become a fully RABQSA qualified Lead Auditor? Do you intend to lead teams of auditors to audit suppliers or other parts of the organization, say, sister plants, offices etc?

If the answer to these questions is no, then save face, money and time and go to internal auditor training, instead. I have taught the LA course for over 15 years and never understood why people who had no intention of doing those things mentioned above, went through 5 days of class!:mg:

For most people in your situation, the IA course is quite sufficient. Maybe finding a Management Rep's course is more appropriate as an extension to it.
 

Colin

Quite Involved in Discussions
#25
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Hello,
This is a little off the topic. I am the Management Rep for the QMS. I am tasked with bringing our company to ISO 14001 and 9001 certification. I would like to go to lead auditor training but would like the company to pay the expense. What benefits to the company would there be for a trained and certified lead auditor. I am responsible for all of the QMS.
I think it depends on where you are starting from. If you already have the skills to develop and maintain an ISO 9001/14001 system and can conduct internal audits, the LA course would improve those skills and expand your knowledge.

On the other hand, as Andy states, if you only intend to conduct internal audits the money could probably be better spent elsewhere.

If you do decide to go on the LA course, which one? QMS or EMS or both? If you do a 5 day course you can do a 3 day conversion course to get you up to speed in the other discipline.
 
R

rocks

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Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Hi,
I have similar concern to yours. For my case, I have attended an internal auditor training by Sai Global and attained this certificate RABQSA-AU Management Systems Auditing to participate in quality audit. I have been conducting internal audits for my company. However, can someone give me directions on how to be a RABQSA Certified Auditor?
I am also thinking of marketing auditing skills to other company where I could do audits for them while being away on my breaks? Please desperately need direction..

Thanks,
 
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Arie0712 - 2010

#27
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Basically, a quality expert in the organisation (QA manager or higher) should be a lead auditor.
It is his resonsibility (together with the organization management) to identify the employees which are proper to be an internal auditors (according all aspects mentioned before).
The lead auditor can train the internal auditors - as a quality incharge, he should check effectiveness of training by attending the audits which his trainees conduct. More than this, the organization may decide to include the first audits as part of the internal auditors qualification.
Anyway, internal audits should be subject for internal audit (to be audited by the lead auditor...)

Thanks, Arie
 

Ajit Basrur

Staff member
Admin
#28
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

Hi,
I have similar concern to yours. For my case, I have attended an internal auditor training by Sai Global and attained this certificate RABQSA-AU Management Systems Auditing to participate in quality audit. I have been conducting internal audits for my company. However, can someone give me directions on how to be a RABQSA Certified Auditor?
I am also thinking of marketing auditing skills to other company where I could do audits for them while being away on my breaks? Please desperately need direction..

Thanks,
Refer RABQSA site for more info.
 
M

maris

#29
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

What is required to have someone qualified as an internal auditor?
1. auditing skills
2. leadership skills
3. interfacing abilities
4. planning skills
5. communication skills
6. listening skills
7. critiquing skills
8. inquisitiveness
9. analytical ability
10. decisiveness
11. patience
12. tenaciousness
13. professional conduct
 

antipolo

Quality Analyst
#30
Re: Internal Auditor - What is required to have someone qualified as an internal audi

I have been in this forum and find this thread interesting.
Competence of auditors is necessary, but how to measure it?
Has anyone made a criteria of measuring auditors competence using a scale?
Can you please share the form?
 
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