Internal Audits - Can I do them all?

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Julie O

#71
:confused:??? What am I wrong about? I said nothing about any change to any standard. I was commenting on the change that you cited:

It's because it was finally realized that...
Whether you were referring to a change in a standard or simply a mindset or an interpretation of the standard, I don't know, but my comment still stands.
 
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Julie O

#72
Not at all.

Those are your "other words" and not mine.

This is another example of making your own rules instead of following the standard. In this case throwing up a smoke screen to mask what you are doing.
No smoke screen intended. Those ABSOLUTELY are MY words, not yours, not the words of the standard. I thought I had made that crystal clear:

What is actually required for a comprehensive and effective quality system is not determined by any standard. A standard can at best aspire to capture what is actually required.
 

tony s

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#74
Question:
"Can a one-man size company satisfy the requirements of clause 9.2.2c where it says 'select auditors and conduct audits to ensure objectivity and the impartiality of the audit process,' if no external intervention was done to complete a full round of internal audit?"
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#75
Question:
"Can a one-man size company satisfy the requirements of clause 9.2.2c where it says 'select auditors and conduct audits to ensure objectivity and the impartiality of the audit process,' if no external intervention was done to complete a full round of internal audit?"
Yep, sure can as long as the evidence supports the process...

Can you objectively stand back and find fault with yourself and what you did?
 

Jen Kirley

Quality and Auditing Expert
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#80
When anyone audits their own work (whether "anyone" is an individual or a department), that is quality control. When someone else audits it, that is quality assurance. A comprehensive and effective quality system requires both.
I would like to agree, but all my materials don't.

The revised standards have changed the language in order to open up "permission" for very small sites to have self-oversight. It is possible, but in a practical sense not desirable; even Stephen King does not edit his own books. It is not usually because of character, but because a person who is mistaken in something's creation and maintenance is not likely to realize that mistake come audit time. Still, as Randy says let the evidence provide proof that self monitoring is not effective before dismissing it.
:2cents:
 
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