Internal Audits - Who Can Audit Whom?

Gman2

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2 Questions Inside -------->

First off I just want to say thanks to everyone who contributes on here, you are helping out everyone (including ME!) in a huge way.

Ok so here are the questions:

1-Do you, as a QM (if you ARE a QM) actually AUDIT during internal audits?
Are you allowed ot Audit as a QM? My previous 2 QM's never did but now I am the QM and I have always been a pretty strong auditor and was thinking I could really get the ball rolling with the internal auditors if I kind of led by example.
Okay so anyone do this and CAN you do this?

2-Can a production worker audit othre areas of production (example, a machine operator auditing another machine's process?)
Or should I just stick him to Shipping, Management, and areas like that.

Thanks a lot


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SteelWoman

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ditto. I USED to audit, have since passed the job to my assistant, but when I did it just had to be careful what I audited. Actually, I ended up passing it on BECAUSE my job responsibilities grew to the point where I really had too much day to day contact with many areas/elements to be completely objective, so I removed myself.

We frequently use operator auditors and allow them to audit any area except their own (or one from which they have recently transferred - don't need any axe grinders!)
 

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Thaumaturge
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#5
I agree with everyone so far. When I was a quality manager I didn't audit much because I had my hands in so many places, but when I could I audited. Some of my best auditors have been operators. Like has been said above, just make sure they stay out of their own areas of responsibility (or bias).
 
#6
Probably the most important thing to remember is that "Selection of auditors and conduct of audits shall ensure objectivity and impartiality..."

If your 2nd shift quality inspectors can audit 1st shift inspections without bias, then that should be okay. But if your shipping clerk and one of your production supervisors were recently divorced, then you probably don't want either one auditing the other. Remember that what happens off the clock can affect objectivity and impartiality.
 

RoxaneB

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db said:
Probably the most important thing to remember is that "Selection of auditors and conduct of audits shall ensure objectivity and impartiality..."

If your 2nd shift quality inspectors can audit 1st shift inspections without bias, then that should be okay. But if your shipping clerk and one of your production supervisors were recently divorced, then you probably don't want either one auditing the other. Remember that what happens off the clock can affect objectivity and impartiality.
I totally agree! We have around 250 people at my facility, but divided into four crews (excluding the salary). This means we're a relatively close-knit group. So I never put my Production Auditors in QC or Maintenance as they work with those groups on a daily basis.

Many people forget that bias can include personal bias, as well.
 
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Groo3

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Claes Gefvenberg said:
Hullo G,

1- In one word: Yes. (Just don't audit your own tasks)
2- See above.... As long as he stays clear of his own tasks: No problem.

Happy auditing...:bigwave:

/Claes
What Claes said... Yes... If you have a larger Audit pool, you can avoid any potential conflicts by just assigning that auditor to audit another area. Problems may arrise when dealing with smaller organizations or when you have a small auritor pool.
 
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