Internal / External Auditors from the same Field / Section / Group?

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harsh18

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Hi,

For carrying out Internal or external audits is it mandatory that auditor cannot be from the same field/ section/group? What i mean to say that in company with Production (group) with different lines downstream hence, auditor from Production from 1 line cannot audit in same production in different line.

Although the auditor might have worked/ or have experience of working in all the production lines.

On this issue, at my workplace, it is seen that Production or maintanence cannot audit his own area ( inspite having different lines) which is contraditory when I compare with my previous job.

can anybody put his valuable comments on this issue?

Harsh
 
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qualitygoddess - 2010

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Re: Internal / external Auditors

I am answering this for internal auditors, which I assume would be people employed by your company, and acting as internal auditors of a quality management system. I am citing ISO 9001:2000 requirements, although many other standards require this same type of impartiality.

ISO 9001:2000 states the following requirement: Selection of auditors and conduct of audits shall ensure objectivity and impartiality of the audit process. Auditors shall not audt their own work.

I assume you are working with a large factory with many employees. While some might argue that having production people audit other production processes is not the best practice, you may be able to prove impartiality of the audit. For example, if someone normally worked as a welder, and you wanted them to audit the metals casting process, you could say that the auditor was not auditing his own work.

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Re: Internal / external Auditors

Indeed, it is of fundamental importance that the auditor is familiar with the process they're auditing. Being comfortable with the relevant tools, techniques, terminology will greatly assist the auditor and keep them from asking questions which sound 'dumb' to the person being audited. That can be a frustration for the auditee, without doubt. The more difficult aspect to manage is ensuring impartiality and avoiding the auditor being biased or too comfotable and missing things. But, that's all in the planning......
 
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