Definition Inverse Brainstorming

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Umang Vidyarthi

#51
Brainstorming is all about thinking up creative ways around problems, while Inverse Brainstorming looks at an oppurtunity and then considers all obstacles that might prevent the oppurtunity from working. This technique is useful in exposing the assumptions that often lie hidden in the unconscious mind.

Examples of Inverse Brainstorming are -

1. what would increase cost, or
2. what would displease the customer
Hi Qualityalways,

It's a big relief and heartening to know that someone here acknowledges this age old technique,and agrees with it's usefulness.:applause:

I can't thank you enough for your encouraging post.(B'cause I had lost my confidence on the cove).

:thanks:

Umang
 
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Jim Wynne

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#52
I can't thank you enough for your encouraging post.(B'cause I had lost my confidence on the cove).
I'm glad you regained your confidence, but if you lost it originally because someone disagreed with you, you're probably going to lose it again, sooner or later. :D In instances like this, I always think of a quote attributed to George Bernard Shaw: When two men in business together always agree, one of them is unnecessary." If all of us always agreed about everything, the Cove wouldn't serve a useful purpose.
 
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Umang Vidyarthi

#53
I'm glad you regained your confidence, but if you lost it originally because someone disagreed with you, you're probably going to lose it again, sooner or later. :D In instances like this, I always think of a quote attributed to George Bernard Shaw: When two men in business together always agree, one of them is unnecessary." If all of us always agreed about everything, the Cove wouldn't serve a useful purpose.
Well Jim,it is not that 'some' disagreed;but when 100% disagree with the idea,then I am prooved one hundred percent wrong (which I know is not true) then,it is natural for a human being to loose his faith and confidence in the system.Agreements & disagreement are usual parts of life,and I'm never shy of accepting whenever I err.Cove is a learning ground for all,irrespective of age,position or experience.Then why a tough stand to proove some one wrong?!?I firmly believe in the phiosophy:Even if you err,err on the positive side.:notme:
Any way,thanks for your post.

Umang
 
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Paul Simpson

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#54
I missed this first time around. :bonk:

Looks like someone has invented another unnecessary term. IMHO brainstorming is a means of rapidly capturing ideas - whether they be about potential problems or problem solutions.

I have used it in training FMEA for years encouraging delegates to find other potential failure modes, effects.

Don't tell me now I've been doing it wrong! :lol:
 
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D.Scott

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Well Jim,it is not that 'some' disagreed;but when 100% disagree with the idea,then I am prooved one hundred percent wrong (which I know is not true) then,it is natural for a human being to loose his faith and confidence in the system.Agreements & disagreement are usual parts of life,and I'm never shy of accepting whenever I ere.Cove is a learning ground for all,irrespective of age,position or experience.Then why a tough stand to proove some one wrong?!?I firmly believe in the phiosophy:Even if you ere,ere on the positive side.:notme:
Any way,thanks for your post.

Umang
Don't forget, there are many here who didn't make a judgment either way. Many of us simply read what was presented from both sides. Some, agreed with you or at least were inspired to at least think about the concept. Some are set in their ways and may at a later time see your point. Some may never see it. The point is, you are entitled to your opinion and without your post, none of us would be challenged to look at our system.

Had Columbus given up his ideas because of rejection we would still be falling off the edge of the world.

Dave
 

Jim Wynne

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#56
Well Jim,it is not that 'some' disagreed;but when 100% disagree with the idea,then I am prooved one hundred percent wrong (which I know is not true) then,it is natural for a human being to loose his faith and confidence in the system.
It's natural to lose faith in the system based on something which you acknowledge isn't true? :confused: Some contributors did agree with you. You also need to remember that the proportion of the people who read these discussions but don't contribute to them by posting is very large; the number of people who actually post here is the tip of the proverbial iceberg. We have no way of knowing how many people actually agree or disagree with anything that's posted here, and it's possible that the actual majority agreed with you, and thought that I was full of horse poop. What's actually important is that we both made an effort to express reasoned opinions, and that others might have the opportunity to learn something from it.

Agreements & disagreement are usual parts of life,and I'm never shy of accepting whenever I ere.Cove is a learning ground for all,irrespective of age,position or experience.Then why a tough stand to proove some one wrong?!?
You seem to be taking things personally. I respect you and your experience and your contributions. That doesn't mean that I always must agree with you, or that disagreement per se is not a positive force for improvement. Knowledge advances because of disagreement, not in spite of it.


I firmly believe in the phiosophy:Even if you ere,ere on the positive side.:notme:
I read this as, "If you're going to make a mistake, make it by agreeing with me." In other words, you think I should look past any disagreement I might have with your ideas for fear that you might be offended by my voicing my disagreement. If my interpretation is correct, I disagree. :D
 
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Umang Vidyarthi

#57
Don't forget, there are many here who didn't make a judgment either way. Many of us simply read what was presented from both sides. Some, agreed with you or at least were inspired to at least think about the concept. Some are set in their ways and may at a later time see your point. Some may never see it. The point is, you are entitled to your opinion and without your post, none of us would be challenged to look at our system.

Had Columbus given up his ideas because of rejection we would still be falling off the edge of the world.

Dave
Thank you Dave for your piece of mind,and clarity on the subject .You are absolutely right that every one won't respond to every post,irrespective of their agreemnt or disagreement.Truly speaking,I felt hurt when one & all of the respondents tried to redicule the idea,which is present since ages!!

And I am not giving It up-not me.I am waiting for the input from the OP,and then I will present this case with more emphasis;not to prove my point(it is not worth the salt) but to make it useful for one and all.

Regards

Umang

It's natural to lose faith in the system based on something which you acknowledge isn't true? :confused: Some contributors did agree with you. You also need to remember that the proportion of the people who read these discussions but don't contribute to them by posting is very large; the number of people who actually post here is the tip of the proverbial iceberg. We have no way of knowing how many people actually agree or disagree with anything that's posted here, and it's possible that the actual majority agreed with you, and thought that I was full of horse poop. What's actually important is that we both made an effort to express reasoned opinions, and that others might have the opportunity to learn something from it.

Thanks for enlightenment.:cool:
Umang



You seem to be taking things personally. I respect you and your experience and your contributions. That doesn't mean that I always must agree with you, or that disagreement per se is not a positive force for improvement. Knowledge advances because of disagreement, not in spite of it.

No no Jim.You can't be more wrong.It's nothing personal and the I hold you in high esteem.In a healthy argument,either I agree to your point of view,or vice-versa;else,we agree to disagree.There is agreement in disagreement,so
the knowledge advances irrespective of any side of the coin facing up.

Umang



I read this as, "If you're going to make a mistake, make it by agreeing with me." In other words, you think I should look past any disagreement I might have with your ideas for fear that you might be offended by my voicing my disagreement. If my interpretation is correct, I disagree. :D
Sorry Jim,your interpretation is bordering on the farthest point of wrong side.I didn't mean it the way you are voicing it.How can you dream,I can stoop so low.It is a general proverb I've stated,in which I have explicit faith.I am sorry if it appeared to you otherwise,it was not intended.:nope:

Umang
 
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Umang Vidyarthi

#58
I missed this first time around. :bonk:

Looks like someone has invented another unnecessary term. IMHO brainstorming is a means of rapidly capturing ideas - whether they be about potential problems or problem solutions.

I have used it in training FMEA for years encouraging delegates to find other potential failure modes, effects.

Don't tell me now I've been doing it wrong! :lol:
Hi Paul,

It is impossible to 'invent' anything in this universe,one can only discover or rediscover.Inverse Brainstorming is not another 'unnecessary'term,and is not in conflict with the wonderful tool called 'Brainstorming'.

No one is telling you that you have been doing it wrong by using it in FMEA.On the contrary,I am asking you to try the wonderful tool of I.B.and then decide to reject or accept it.Fair enough?!

I can understand that it is normal psycology to follow what you have been following for a long time,and the mind refuses to entertain any new entrant.But you will not be able to see green through a red goggle.Hence,you have to change your perspective,to understand others point of view.

I am not disagreeing with your stand,you are absolutely right by your lights.Still I feel,it is useful to explore this beautiful world,by unfolding a galaxy of new ideas.

Bon Voyage

Umang
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
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#59
Truly speaking,I felt hurt when one & all of the respondents tried to redicule the idea,which is present since ages!!
There are 57 posts in this thread as I write this (including the OP), and while there are four or five Covers (including me, of course) who disagreed with you over several posts, all of the others either agreed or didn't express an opinion one way or the other. Saying "...one & all of the respondents tried to redicule the idea..." is demonstrably wrong, not only by actual counts, but by the fact that no one, including me, tried to "redicule" anything. If there was something that I posted that you interpreted as ridicule, it certainly wasn't intended that way.

Sorry Jim,your interpretation is bordering on the farthest point of wrong side.I didn't mean it the way you are voicing it.How can you dream,I can stoop so low.It is a general proverb I've stated,in which I have explicit faith.I am sorry if it appeared to you otherwise,it was not intended.:nope:
We seem to be continually talking past one another, so I'll bid the thread adieu with a favorite old song from Dave Mason that has some relevant lyrics:

 

Paul Simpson

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#60
Inverse Brainstorming is not another 'unnecessary'term,and is not in conflict with the wonderful tool called 'Brainstorming'.
Sorry, this post hasn't helped me.

What is different about "inverse brainstorming" from "normal brainstorming" apart from it looks at negative aspects rather than solutions?
 
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