Is formal training required for Internal Auditors?

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Wayne G.

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Is formal training required for internal auditors? If so, is this a one time training or is there any requirement for a refresher. Additionally, if someone had training in the 2001 standard, will they need training for the 2008 standard?

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Re: ISO 9001:2008 internal auditing

Is formal training required for internal auditors? If so, is this a one time training or is there any requirement for a refresher. Additionally, if someone had training in the 2001 standard, will they need training for the 2008 standard?

Thank you
The standard requires that people whose work can affect product quality must be competent. There is no specific requirement in the standard regarding auditor training, and it should be assumed that if a person were adequately familiar with the 2001 version, no additional training should be required.
 

somashekar

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Is formal training required for internal auditors? If so, is this a one time training or is there any requirement for a refresher. Additionally, if someone had training in the 2001 standard, will they need training for the 2008 standard?

Thank you
Getting into any management system, the system audit is a new process which so far would have not been performed by personnel within the organization. Perhaps most of the other processes would be in action one way or the other.
So an auditing skill and competency is always found as a gap and this is bridged by a training. Any learning needs periodic reinforcement and thus this becomes no exception for refreshing. It seems you are having the ISO9001 as the basis to discuss here. Your re-training can address this though the 2001 <<.>> 2008 has not been a great changer to the standard.
 

Kales Veggie

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Is formal training required for internal auditors? If so, is this a one time training or is there any requirement for a refresher. Additionally, if someone had training in the 2001 standard, will they need training for the 2008 standard?

Thank you
It is not required, but it is a heck of a good idea to train your auditors, if you want the auditing process to be value added.

A refresher maybe a good idea as well.

You might even consider bringing in an outside expert for one audit to make sure your auditing process is value-added.
 
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Tom W

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The answers to this good question are spot on from my point of view. One thing I would add is this.

I like to have internal auditors at different levels, and by this I mean I have "shop floor" level auditors that need to know the basics of auditing, a simple training session that gives them the basic tools to go out and audit. However, I ask these auditors to audit simply to our system. The work instruction, procedure or other defining document used to perform the tasks being audited are their checklist. The level of training they need to complete a basic ?are we doing what we say we are doing? kind of audit is not that in-depth. More time goes into the forms and procedures for reporting than ?how to audit?.

I do not ask them to look at the quality system to see if it meets the TS or ISO standard. I have more in-depth, higher trained auditors to make sure our system is meeting the standards. They are lead auditor trained for TS, so this provides more of a system audit which gets deeper into the Shalls.

The shop floor auditors just make sure we are doing what we should be doing, how we say to do it. This does two important things; 1) it measures the performance (work being done) against the expectations (the system) and 2) it cross trains the auditors into other areas of the system they might not normally be as familiar with. Then we rotate the auditors to spread the joy of auditing to more people.

Seems to work pretty well.
 
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