Is ISO9001 Certification (Registration) in 30 days realistic?

[Groo3]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?

Agree with the posts that say it is possible , but it is not a realistic goal for many reasons ...

- many performance indicators require more than 30 days of data to be of any relevance

Especially that one ... I have found that registrars will usually ask for the last 6 months of data to pull their random samples from. This will be a good indicator to show the registrar that the Quality Management System is mature (and sustainable).

 

[ralphsulser]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?

Having taken dozens of companies through the process of preparing for registration I would say there is no way it could be a viable implementation. It might get you a certificate, but the registrar would be demonstrating that certificates they provide are meaningless (and unfortunately there are some out there who are like that!).

Yes, but there is one out there who will do it for only $500.00. So, you can get a worthless certification for a lot less than 5,000.

 

[Ashok GS]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?

1. Apply for Guinness World Records
2. Does the 30 days includes weekends also ?

I would suggest "PLEASE THINK AGAIN"...

 

[somashekar]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?


I would rather print my own color ISO 9001 certificate in 3 minutes with

 

[Tanya Stickling]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?

Like they have mentioned before. I'ts no use getting a "template" manual from a consultant and hope it works for your organization as this might only address the accreditation body's requirements but most certainly won't address your organization's requirements. Worst still to try and fix up a template to conform to your organization is time-consuming, very frustrating for the staff and in plain lament terms "window dressing".

And it's difficult to pass the mark but even more difficult to keep it when you have a system written the way it "should happen" instead of what is happening and improving the flaws as you go along.

Been there! At the end of the day I wish we could've avoided the consultant's "template" manual as still today (after certification) we find phrases and references to parts that does not exist in our organization.

No 30 days will not be enough time to properly write , implement , measure and improve a quality system specifically catering to your organizations needs that you can use as a total management tool instead of a windo dressing tool to be accredited the mark you need.

 

[Chennaiite]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?

Does anyone have any comments on companies proclaiming to get you certified 'inside 30 days'.

Is this realistic and is it worth the £5000 plus fees they charge? Or should you stay clear of these type of organisations.

Trying to flatter one's Wife endlessly, trying impress the Boss tremendously, trying to get certified to ISO 9001 in 30 days...... Everything is possible, but sometimes not worth doing.
Am I extremely irrelevant?

 

[kev4791]

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Woah! So are you all saying its not a good idea then..

Just to appease everyone I wouldn't have considered it either. But one of my directors received the fabled advertisement through his fax and stuck it on my desk.

I have been working on developing my own QM manual and proceduers for over 2 months now and don't think I'm too far away now from presenting as a first draft at a management review. Then all going well get the system and paperwork implemented into the comapny and let it run for atleast a couple of months while being monitored.

 

[Marc]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?

<snip> ...one of my directors received the fabled advertisement through his fax and stuck it on my desk. <snip>

So print out this thread and put it on his/her desk....

 

[somerqc]

Depending on your boss, you may want to warm up your resume before you do that.

My former boss would have had a good laugh - my current....not so sure.

 

[Wes Bucey]

Re: Is ISO9001 Certification in 30 days realistic?

Woah! So are you all saying its not a good idea then..

Just to appease everyone I wouldn't have considered it either. But one of my directors received the fabled advertisement through his fax and stuck it on my desk.

I have been working on developing my own QM manual and proceduers for over 2 months now and don't think I'm too far away now from presenting as a first draft at a management review. Then all going well get the system and paperwork implemented into the comapny and let it run for atleast a couple of months while being monitored.

Good to read!

I'd like to put things in perspective.

I've seen a lot of organizations over the past 40 years which COULD pass a third party registration audit from a valid registrar at an instant's notice. They had existing great quality management systems without ever having heard of ISO 9xxx - my experience predates ISO QMS Standards.

The major problem has been alluded to - actually scheduling a third party registrar's auditors to perform the audit.

Thus said, I've also seen lots of organizations with great de facto quality systems, BUT they usually lack one or two items from passing a 3rd party audit on the first go-round. First and primary lack is usually lack of written documentation of

• we plan to do this
• we actually do this
• this is the record of what we do demonstrating we meet our written plan.

Some ISO QMS Standards require "continual improvement" (ISO 13485 being the notable exception.) Most organizations not currently registered do not have a defined process for continual improvement.

For those organizations which are a lot more disorganized than the types I've identified above, the process usually takes about six months to get the ducks in a row for a third party audit to pass the first time through.