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Is not having a controlled copy of ISO 9001 standard a NonConformance?

Is not having a current copy of ISO9001:2000 a Nonconformance?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 21.7%

  • No

    Votes: 18 78.3%
  • Total voters
    23
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quality1

#52
#52
Re: Not having an original copy of ISO 9001 standard, Is it a Non- Conformance?

This should have been an observation not an NC, the auditor also should have continue to audit the system and see if it was systemic problem..nitpicky!
 
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#54
#54
Re: Not having an original copy of ISO 9001 standard, Is it a Non- Conformance?

Randy said:
How could the lack of 1 document be systemic!:confused:
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I believe they already stated that the Auditor should continue to determine if it systemic problem.

quality1 said:
This should have been an observation not an NC, the auditor also should have continue to audit the system and see if it was systemic problem..nitpicky!
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My emphasis added in bold.
 
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Craig H.

#55
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Re: Not having an original copy of ISO 9001 standard, Is it a Non- Conformance?

Bob the QE said:
If I am the MR and thus am responsible for a) in 5.5.2 and me being the MR rep, inform the auditor that I periodically check my revision of the "uncontrolled" standard to a controlled version ( soem internet sight) for revision compliance, could it not be my point that my system is based and in accordance with the controlled version of the standard I thus meet the standard.
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I don't think there is a "legal" version online, which again begs the question "how do you know?".
 
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Sidney Vianna

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#56
#56
Re: Not having an original copy of ISO 9001 standard, Is it a Non- Conformance?

Al Rosen said:
Unlicensed copy? See Management Commitment, 5.1(a)
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a) communicating to the organization the importance of meeting customer as well as statutory and regulatory requirements,
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Then what? :confused:

I am astounded by the amount of bits and bytes wasted spent on this discussion. In itself, the situation is a technicality. For some, this trivial, inconsequential issue will raise to a non-conformity. For others, it is a non-issue.​


Let me offer the following scenario: Since all the press releases coming from ISO and other official bodies state that ISO 9001:2008 does not bring ANY changes to the previous version of the standard,
ISO 9001:2008 does not contain any new requirements
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They have recognized that ISO 9001:2008 introduces no new requirements. ISO 9001:2008 only introduces clarifications to the existing requirements of ISO 9001:2000 based on eight years of experience of implementing the standard world wide with about one million certificates issued in 170 countries to date. It also introduces changes intended to improve consistency with ISO14001:2004
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what would the problem be if an organization does not acquire (officially or otherwise) a copy of the 4th edition of the Standard, and instead, rely on an informative document issued by their CB's explaining the clarifications?

Since the standard brings no new requirements, what would be the added value or benefit for the organization to transfer funds to a swiss account and get themselves a copy of a document which requires NO CHANGES to their QMS whatsoever?
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Doug Tropf

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Re: Not having an original copy of ISO 9001 standard, Is it a Non- Conformance?

Sidney Vianna said:
Let me offer the following scenario: Since all the press releases coming from ISO and other official bodies state that ISO 9001:2008 does not bring ANY changes to the previous version of the standard, what would the problem be if an organization does not acquire (officially or otherwise) a copy of the 4th edition of the Standard, and instead, rely on an informative document issued by their CB's explaining the clarifications?

Since the standard brings no new requirements, what would be the added value or benefit for the organization to transfer funds to a swiss account and get themselves a copy of a document which requires NO CHANGES to their QMS whatsoever?
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In your scenario the organization has used due diligence in staying abreast of the latest version of the standard, I'm not sure that is the case in the OP. Would the CB certify the organization to ISO 9001:2008 in your scenario?
 
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AndyN

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Re: Not having an original copy of ISO 9001 standard, Is it a Non- Conformance?

There's a fundamental issue that's being missed here! The OP stated that he's being cited for not having an ORIGINAL of the standard!

Having a photocopy - while a 'copyright violation' - isn't a document control issue, is it? He had a photocopy of the most appropriate version! What's 'uncontrolled' about that?

I do it all the time, I never check if it's changed and I've never had a problem quoting the wrong (old) information.

So, what's the beef here? The auditor got it wrong! They may have not liked the copyright infringement, but that's tough, not an nc! (and certainly not a systemic finding, either)

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I feel like one of those folks who found out the earth isn't flat after all!:lmao:
 
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