Is possession of the ISO 9001 Standard Required?

Crusader

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I know. dumb question. I don't have the standard. But I know what it says. I know what I have to do. Do I need to buy the standard to get thru my first registration audit? :eek:
 
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Boingo-boingo

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Do I need to buy the standard to get thru my first registration audit? :eek:
ISO 9001 is standard of external origin and, obviously, necessary.

If I were an external auditor, confronted with this situation, I would think with myself:

What is the reason for them NOT to have a copy of the document?
Save money?
If they are concerned with saving 40 or 50 dollars to have a copy of the standard, where else are could they be cutting corners?
 

Mikishots

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No rule against thinking, just like there's no rule that says you need to have a copy. I'd be looking for cut corners even if they had 30 purchased copies of the standard.
 

insect warfare

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:rolleyes:
ISO 9001 is standard of external origin and, obviously, necessary.

If I were an external auditor, confronted with this situation, I would think with myself:

What is the reason for them NOT to have a copy of the document?
Save money?
If they are concerned with saving 40 or 50 dollars to have a copy of the standard, where else are could they be cutting corners?
If you are referring to "necessary" as being per good business sense, I might be inclined to agree as it is advantageous information. But if you mean "necessary" as required by ISO 9001, there is no such requirement stated within. This post from the aforementioned thread sums it up quite nicely.

Brian :rolleyes:
 
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just like there's no rule that says you need to have a copy.
But if you mean "necessary" as required by ISO 9001, there is no such requirement stated within.
So, I guess you would also say that there is no requirement for the organization to possess a copy of ISO 9000? Despite the fact ISO 9000 is a NORMATIVE reference in ISO 9001. :rolleyes:

It is preposterous to assume that ANYONE has ISO 9001 memorized. To take an organization through the journey of an ISO 9001 implementation without having a copy of the document is very poor risk management, in my opinion.
 

somashekar

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I know. dumb question. I don't have the standard. But I know what it says. I know what I have to do. Do I need to buy the standard to get thru my first registration audit? :eek:
You do not need to have your copy of the standard to get through your first registration audit, but again you not buy one copy of the standard for your company, since you are going for that standard certification ...
 

insect warfare

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So, I guess you would also say that there is no requirement for the organization to possess a copy of ISO 9000? Despite the fact ISO 9000 is a NORMATIVE reference in ISO 9001. :rolleyes:
We can also break this down into "who" requires that an organization must have a copy of the standard in their possession (strictly speaking ISO 9001):

1) ISO 9001 does not contain any such requirement (4.2.3f is usually argued here, but there have been very small organizations who did not feel it was a necessary document to have since planning and operations were already in place, and were just seeking improvement opportunities from the CB - which does not violate ISO 9001 requirements).
2) No statutory or regulatory requirements mandate the possession of a copy of ISO 9001.
3) A customer can require that a supplier be certified to ISO 9001 as a condition of doing business, but no contract I have ever seen stated that a copy of ISO 9001 was to be kept by the supplier - that would be scrupulous at best. It is usually assumed that (as a result) the organization seeking certification will take the necessary steps to ensure that it is compliant with ISO 9001 requirements, in order to procure business. The decision of whether or not to refer to the standard to get to that point still rests with that organization (at their own risk, obviously).

IMO, it is nice to have the criteria in hand, and most organizations choose to obtain a copy for their own benefit, but I wouldn't go so far as to proclaim that every certified organization shall have a copy of ISO 9001.

Brian :rolleyes:
 
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