Is PPAP required in this situation?

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Dears, I am new here (been only a reader from time to time for several years:D) and have (hopefully) a quick question.
We are an 16969 certified company. Some time ago one of our suppliers asked us if we can support another one of their clients by selling them some small quantites of components that they were supplying to us (due to hight MOQ, that company did not want to buy directly from our supplier but were still in urgent need of the material). Purchasing from my company agreed to that.
That was only a one-time situation and now the company that bought those parts from us is requesting a PPAP. Do we have to submit one in this situation? If so (or if not), then on what basis?
 
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Ninja

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Find out how much they are willing to pay for the PPAP.

Either you can cover the cost of your effort, maybe make a little more on the transaction...or they will stop asking. All results are good.

You didn't contractually agree to provide one for this special case, did you?
 

ScottK

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...and a PPAP shouldn't really be done retroactively.
Unless they still have the parts and enough of them for you to measure the characteristics you need to measure.

and as Ninja says - there needs to be a price for this. PPAP requirements need to be negotiated up front as there is usually pretty significant cost involved.
 

Golfman25

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Dears, I am new here (been only a reader from time to time for several years:D) and have (hopefully) a quick question.
We are an 16969 certified company. Some time ago one of our suppliers asked us if we can support another one of their clients by selling them some small quantites of components that they were supplying to us (due to hight MOQ, that company did not want to buy directly from our supplier but were still in urgent need of the material). Purchasing from my company agreed to that.
That was only a one-time situation and now the company that bought those parts from us is requesting a PPAP. Do we have to submit one in this situation? If so (or if not), then on what basis?
If it is one time, and no future (and not otherwise agreed to), I wouldn't do it. They can't possibly pay enough for the frustration of putting it together. Besides, it should technically come from your supplier as it sounds like your just a pass thru. Good luck.
 

Ninja

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They can't possibly pay enough for the frustration of putting it together.
You might be surprised how much "we have to" can justify.

Perspective...how much did they save not getting MOQ and having to throw away the rest (disposal cost). If it is required for the sale...it is pretty darned valuable (maybe even more valuable than the parts).

But your point is taken well all the same.:agree:
 

bobdoering

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1.) Was it required on the purchase order or was their quality manual referenced in the PO that required it? If so, they already paid for it. Sorry. That's why they invented contract review. If not, requote if you are willing to kick up that dirt.

2.) They requested one? If so, what level? Since it was already PPAP approved, would a warrant do (Level 1) or a subset of the info (Level 4)? A copy of the current PPAP with a fresh warrant should suffice even if Level 3. Hopefully, you keep this info electronic and a .pdf sent off should be minimum pain (except for email size limitations).
 
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