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Is TS 16949 going to be Obsoleted by 2008?

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With the weakness in the American automotive industry, I have wondered if VDA would finally win their rumored battle to replace TS with VDA. Anybody hear any rumors on this?
With Volkswagen coming late to the (long lost) minivan market, while using a rebadged Chrysler and touting it as engineered by Germans?:lmao:

Never!
 

jelly1921

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IATF Oversight
Certification Body Communiqué
Communiqué # 2008-006
DATE: December 2008
SUBJECT: ISO/TS16949:2009 Transition Process
ISO/TS 16949:2009 will be issued during the first quarter 2009, following the ballot of the ISO TC176
and reflects the changes in ISO 9001:2008. As such, the following applies:
1) No new requirements
ISO/TS 16949:2009 introduces no new or changed requirements. ISO 9001:2008 is based on
clarifications or amendments to the existing requirements of ISO 9001:2000 and those that are
intended to improve consistency with ISO 14001:2004.
2) Application
Certification Bodies and Organizations are expected to understand and apply the amendments
to ISO/TS 16949:2009. Application of the clarifications related to ISO 9001:2008 requirements
in the boxed text of ISO/TS 16949:2009 is effective not later than 120 days after the release of
ISO/TS 16949:2009. .
3) Certification status to ISO/TS 16949:2002
The certification status to ISO/TS 16949:2002 remains in effect for the certification life.
Certification to ISO/TS 16949:2009 is recognized with the effective date of the release of
ISO/TS 16949:2009. The certification to ISO/TS 16949:2009 is not an upgrade and its term is
the same as the current ISO/TS 16949:2002 certificate.
4) Certificates issued to ISO/TS 16949:2009
IATF recognized certificates to ISO/TS 16949:2009 may be issued upon request by an
organization (client) after official publication and after a regularly scheduled surveillance audit,
but are not required until the next recertification audit.
 
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Hsoleimanpour

As a certified ISO/TS lead auditor I heard from the lecturer at training course in Mumbai; "there is no plan for revising TS2 before 2011 and the new version will be introduced in 2012"

2009 version is based on changed in ISO 9001:2008 not TS content
 

Sidney Vianna

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I heard from the lecturer at training course in Mumbai; "there is no plan for revising TS2 before 2011 and the new version will be introduced in 2012"
Welcome to the Cove.
But please keep in mind that this forum is full of examples of misinformation propagated by lead auditors and trainers. Personally, I don't believe that TS16949 will be revised before 2014 or 2015, together with the next expected revision of ISO 9001.
The current state of the automotive sector and the need for stability of the TS document work against any revision before half way into the next decade.
 

Stijloor

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Welcome to the Cove.
But please keep in mind that this forum is full of examples of misinformation propagated by lead auditors and trainers. Personally, I don't believe that TS16949 will be revised before 2014 or 2015, together with the next expected revision of ISO 9001.
The current state of the automotive sector and the need for stability of the TS document work against any revision before half way into the next decade.
Sadly, the IATF and its oversight offices are not shining examples of timely and effective communication. They act often like a secret society, hence the rumors, misinterpretations, and trainers/consultants that feel obligated to "inform." My standard answer is always: "Have you contacted IATF?" You may not get a whole lot, but that's the place to start.

Stijloor.
 
So in post #124 it refers to "TS 3" (apparently available) and then post #125 reports that there's no plan to revise "TS 2" until a few years hence.......:confused:

No wonder there's confusion over document control..........:mg::rolleyes:
 
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