Is TS 16949 going to be Obsoleted by 2008?

[Kwilson]

Uh oh...

I guess for now, especially for smaller companies like mine, the best bet is to continue on with the registration process until it's made official. Besides, IMO, ISO/TS16949 is a better way of doing things than QS9000 was, so if the transition is done properly, it will benefit the company. Also, for those of us who's main job at a particular company is implementing ISO/TS16949, it's job security in an unsecure market.

Kevin

 

[Antonio Vieira]

It was my understanding that TS 16949 has already been extended and 2006 will mark the end of the extension.

Dave

You are absolutely right, 2006 is the limit for ISO/TS 16949:2002.

 

[bgwiehle]

Couple of things to keep in mind:

1) Any manufacturing plant that is or wants to be a Tier 1 supplier to a "subscribing organization" is already required to have TS16949, with limited exceptions (ie. due dates for transition have passed).

2) Supplier (tier 2 and below) development to the appropriate standard is present within some customer-specific requiirements.

3) QS-9000 was based on ISO9001:1994, an obsolete version. Upgrading at least to ISO9001:2000 is probably unavoidable if you want to continue 3rd party certification.

Finally,
4) Whatever happens to TS16949:2002, several years from now, if there is still an automotive sector that can dictate to it's suppliers, some required standard will exist. If only to avoid the chaos and extra work for the OEMs of individual systems.



B.G. Wiehle

 

[Aaron Lupo]

I was speaking with an old clent which, like many, hired Entela as their registrar years ago but are choosing different registrars due to their dissatisfaction with Intertek. This client chose Smithers.

This client is QS-9000 registered and is only Tier 1 to Visteon for service parts. They did the QS-9000 dance because of customers like Valeo requiring it. This client has reviewed contracts and does not see any TS 16949 requirements.

The Smithers auditor told this client they should NOT pursue TS 16949 registration because supposedly in 2006 the TC committee is "...expected to meet and announce the demise of TS 16949...".

Anyone else heard this?

I spoke with a member of TC176 and this is not true.

 

[Marc]

Aaron - Any comment on any of the other 'theories' in this thread?

 

[Mago]

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Mago

 

[D.Scott]

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Mago

Very interesting post Mago. Thank you.

Dave

 

[Bigfoot]

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Mago

The attachment says the same thing I was told verbally by the auditor from our Registrar yesterday at the conclusion of our follow-up audit. He said it has been exteded through 2008.

 

[vanputten]

Hello All:

I am a member of the US Technical Advisory Group to ISO/ Technical Committee 176/ Subcommittte 2. (US TAG to ISO/TC 176/SC 2).

http://www.tc176.org/

ISO/TC 176 is the "umbrella" committee under which the ISO 9000 series of quality management and quality assurance standards are being developed. There are three Subcommittees (SC), 1 Working Group and 3 Task Groups under ISO/TC 176 that are producing standards and guidance documents in the areas of:

SC 1 Concepts and Terminology
SC 2 Quality Systems
SC 3 Supporting Technologies
WG Interpretations
STTG Spanish Translations Task Group
JATWG Joint Arabic Translations Working Group

I was at the most recent US TAG meeting in Atlanta. There was no dicsussion regarding any changes to TS 16949.

The review of TS 16949:2002 has been moved until at least 2008. This is becasue TS 16949:2002 is based upon ISO 9001:2000. ISO 9001:2000 will hopefully be amended by 2008. It does not make sense to review TS 16949 before its base document is amended. The amendment to ISO 9001 will only be to clarify and improve the current requirements. No requirments will be added or removed.

I am not aware of any effort to "obsolete" TS 16949. TS 16949 does not need further "ratification." It is an official Technical Specification.

I hope this helps clarify things.

Regards, Dirk

 

[Marc]

Looks like this one is resolved. TS 16949 will be around for at least another 4 years (through 2009).