Is TS 16949 going to be Obsoleted by 2008?

[Valeri]

Finally, I am writing this from home three days after the birth of our first child. All of the above is from sleep deprived memory with no supporting document in front of me to review.

Regards, Dirk

CONGRATULATIONS on your first born. However, you may be sleep deprived for a long time to come.

 

[D.Scott]

Thanks Dirk for answering my questions so openly. It is extremely helpful to have an "insider" available when we hit an area of confusion.

Congratulations on the birth of your child. Bad news - the sleep deprivation doesn't ever end. My second great grandson was born Sunday and I'm suffering today too.

Dave

 

[Marc]

Dirk, I well remember you from the 'old' JenneJohn listserve. I always respected you and enjoyed your input in the discussions. I want you to know that I appreciate your input here in these forums. I wish Phyllis and some of the others from that group participated here. I can not express how much the listserve helped me out.

As an aside, Congratulations on the new family member. Kevin Mader, an excellent resource, pretty much dropped out after his first child (and a second child came to his family about a week or so ago, BTW). I hope you stick around. Having someone on the US Technical Advisory Group to ISO really helps out in trying to understand what's happening and why.

 

[GoKats78]

AIAG is still providing training for RABQSA-Certified ISO 9001:2000 Lead Auditor Training with AIAG ISO/TS 16949:2002 Supplier Auditor Certification and RABQSA-Certified ISO 9001:2000 Internal Quality Auditor Training with ISO/TS 16949 Automotive Emphasis.

 

[Howard Atkins]

This might be a red herring but there are no training sessions for 3rd party auditors scheduled by AIAG, SMMT and ANFIA (Italy), I could not find the German or French positions
http://iaob.org/training/16949_auditor.html

This seems to be strange but the way in which registrars was limited was also restrictive.
In the end there will not be the man hours to audit the candidates.

 

[vanputten]

Hello All:

Thank you for the kind words regaring our new baby girl.

I contact Joe Bransky, IATF Delegation Leader. He provided me with a copy of the resolution to postpone the review of TS 16949. I thought the resolution contained text regaridng the justificaiton for the postponement. It really does not. Here is the ballot:

TMB resolution 45/2004
TS 16949 Application of ISO 9001 in the automotive sector
The Technical Management Board,
approves the request from the International Automotive Task Force (IATF) to extend the validity of TS 16949 Quality management systems -- Particular requirements for the application of ISO 9001:2000 for automotive production and relevant service part organizations to 2008 or the next revision of ISO 9001 Quality management systems -- Requirements plus one year.


Also, here is some information from Joe:

The TMB originally authorized TS 16949 and related pilot study. TC 176 was commissioned by the TMB to have oversight of the TS 16949 pilot study. TS 16949:1999 was released in March 1999 based on ISO 9000:1994.

After revision based on ISO 9001:2000, and balloting, TS 16949:2002 was released in March 2002. Based on this revision of TS 16949 and to assure stability in the use of TS 16949 in the automotive supply base, in June 2004, the TMB agreed to extend TS 16949:2002 to 2008 or one year beyond any revisions of ISO 9001:2000 whichever is longer.

(TMB = Technical Management Board)

I wonder if we are assuming a relationship between providing classes and the docuement itself. In the TC 176, we are told to not make decision on the auditability of the document. We are to write and review documents based on the ease of us for the user. We are to keep the world of conformity assessment seperate from the standards. ISO, the International Organization for Standardization, is a group in support of standardization and not necessarily conformity assessment.

By the way, anyone can be an insider, at least in the US. We are volunteers on the US TAG and all meetings are public. One would think I would have learned all of the TC 176 processes since becoming a member in 1999, but I have not. There is so much to do in terms of document review, that I have not been able to learn all of the behind the scenes stuff. I find the US TAG meetings and volunteers so very interesting. Very intelligent people. I always learn a lot at the meetings.

I sent another meessage to Joe and asked point blank, "Are there any plans to obsolete TS 16949. If I learn anything, I will let you know.

Finally, I will continue to searfch for info on the processes for technical specifications, obsoleting, review cycles, etc.

Back to feeding and diapers....

Sincerely, Dirk van Putten

 

[Sidney Vianna]

The IAOB website has been recently updated. Now they have more sanctioned interpretations and FAQs to both the TS specification and the Rules for achieving IATF recognition.
Issued Rules 2nd Edition FAQs April 2005.pdf

 

[vanputten]

Hello All:

I received the following note from Joe Bransky, IATF Delegation Leader.

"Don't know the basis for the TS 16949 speculation and incorrect information. There are no plans for TS 16949 obsolescence. There is possibly some confusion related to automotive standards since QS-9000 expires December 14, 2006."

Regards, Dirk van Putten

 

[D.Scott]

Thank you Dirk.

Please keep us informed if you hear anything else related to TS16949 in the future. Maybe we can help clear up future misunderstandings as well.

Dave

 

[Sidney Vianna]

If they were thinking of making it obsolete, they sure do have some nice decoys
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