Is writing out the ISO9001:2015 standard full name a requirement

[Marc]

I was just curious in general and was sort of thinking out loud. Admittedly What I have found is many "replacement" batteries are several years old and don't last long. Then again, I'm far from being a battery expert.

 

[Scanton]

Just out of interest, did the battery have a "CE" mark on it?

I have seen quite a few Chinese companies using something that looks almost indistinguishable from the European CE mark claiming it means "Chinese Export".

 

[AndyN]

Was it from an IAF accredited CB? Don't forget there's a whole bunch of "alternatively accredited" and unaccredited CBs out there...

 

[Big Jim]

I didn't notice a CE mark. It may have had one but I didn't notice.

As far as it being an IAF accredited CB, there is no way to tell. The only marking was "ISO 9001:2008" on the package. I think it is most likely that there is no certificate.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

If an organization prints ISO 9001:20XX on the product packaging, they are violating nothing. They can print whatever they want on the package.

What they can not do willy nilly is to use the CB Certification Mark because ISO 17021 stipulates requirements concerning that.

A company can totally self assess and self declare compliance with any standard and make that statement anywhere they see fit.

 

[Big Jim]

ISO published a document on the topic dealing with ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 terminology. Please see attached. It looks like the oldest one was published in 2010 so it still uses ISO 9001:2008. I would think that the concepts would still be the same though. I have seen some of this nearly word for word in some of the certification body documents that cover the use of certification marks.

Here are three bullet points from that publication.

- Don’t display ISO 9001:2008 or ISO 14001:2004 certification marks of conformity on products, product labels, or product packaging, or in any way that may be interpreted as denoting product conformity.

- Don’t give the impression in any context that ISO 9001:2008 or ISO 14001:2004 certifications are product certifications or product guarantees.

- When including a reference to ISO 9001:2008 or ISO 14001:2004 certifications in product-related information, including advertisements, do not do so in such a way that ISO 9001:2008 or ISO 14001:2004 certifications may be interpreted as being product certifications or product guarantees.

So take it for what it is worth, being that it was published about eight or nine years ago, but it seems pretty clear.

 

[AndyN]

ISO published a document on the topic dealing with ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 terminology.

Who cares? I mean that seriously! Do you think that 90% of organizations who are certified have a clue about ISO and what they write? Good grief, apparently a lot of CB management don't know this stuff...

 

[Scanton]

Big Jim's attachment did make interesting reading especially when you consider that no one in the real world seems to give a shit about what ISO stipulates in this document, and even my globally recognized CB doesn't conform to ISO's carefully worded wishes. I thought that was the point Big Jim was making, which you seem to be violently agreeing with

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Big Jim's attachment did make interesting reading especially when you consider that no one in the real world seems to give a shit about what ISO stipulates in this document, and even my globally recognized CB doesn't conform to ISO's carefully worded wishes. I thought that was the point Big Jim was making, which you seem to be violently agreeing with

In the early days of accredited certification to ISO 9001 (in the early 1990's) we were also about to enforce the European Directives with the associated requirements for product certification by Notified Bodies or self declaration by the manufacturers...

The certification bodies started developing certification marks and a concern was raised about uneducated users and consumers potentially mistaking a management system certification logo for a product certification mark. Codification of such concerns have evolved over the years and, currently, ISO 17021 has requirements related to the issue as it applies to the CB's and it's enforcement practices.

But, and let me repeat it, that relates to the use of the CB certification mark, which typically includes the CB logo and some verbiage.

But the simple words ISO 9001, ISO 9001:2008, ISO 9001:2015, etc... are NOT controlled and ISO, IAF and the hundreds of CB's out there can not control the usage of such words.

ISO and it's promotional material, informative pamphlets, etc. have no authoritative power. ISO, for commercial reasons, wants to see everyone using the editions of their standards; that's why they make a plea that people should state ISO 9001:2015, rather than simply ISO 9001. But there is no infringement whatsoever if an organization has a product package with the words ISO 9001. Until ISO trademarks that verbiage, anyone can use it as they see fit; even non certified organizations, who can self declare compliant with anything without breaking any laws. There is no ISO police out there. At least, for the time being.

 

[tony s]

But there is no infringement whatsoever if an organization has a product package with the words ISO 9001.

So ISO as a global organization, which created a lot of many standards, where many organizations assiduously follow, cannot impose their own "rules" in using ISO 9001 markings on products, labels and marketing materials?