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ISO 14001 Aspect and Impact Assessment - Direct and Indirect Environmental Impacts

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Brandon Kerkstra

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Direct Control Only

You should focus on items you have control over only. You can rank and control "Energy Consumption" and this would have an effect on all of the related indirect aspects and impacts, but I would not focus on the indirects. I would rank "Energy Consumption" & Possibly break it down further into Electricity, Gas.. and rank. If any are Significant then control accordingly and consider for Objectives and Targets.

Randy is right on with the previous post.

Good luck and keep plugging away.

Brandon
 
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Luke Hannant

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Many thanks for the posts,

I finally understand. Indirect effects should still be scored for significance, and significant INDIRECT impacts controlled where possiable. nice one,

:thedeal:
 
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Randy Stewart

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Luke you're on your way. If it wasn't for questions like yours Marc wouldn't have to spend his time on something like this web site. He could spend more time coming up with different trailing eggs to bug people with!!!!:biglaugh:

I look at the same way with our system ..... Why re-invent the wheel. I have received a great deal of help from these people and enjoy helping others get their questions answered. I'm not always right, but there are plenty here that will jump in and correct it. Plus it's always good to have a different set of eyes to look at our ideas and to hear different opinions.

And Randy . . . . well what can I say, I didn't know there was another one here.:confused: I learned a long time ago that it's not a good idea to piss off a Marine!!!!!
 
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Go to the FORD Environmental page and look at what they have done in some of the facilities. Also the folks in Claes's part of the world are very efficient at reducing energy usage.
That is absolutley true... We work a lot with that.

There is a lot of fine tuning processes going on, we are on the lookout for new techniques, and above all we try to minimize rejects and scrap: As it happens that is the major reason for excessive use of resources... If we scrap something we have used resources to no avail, and have to use more in order to replace it. So, an effective QMS plays a major part here...

/Claes
 
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kukku

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Re: ISO 14001 Aspect and Impact Assessment - Direct and Indirect Environmental Impact

All we did was to ID it as indirect, there is no benefit taking it further, unless you get a kickback from the power station!!!!:vfunny:
We took our direct impacts and ranked them using a system similar to FMEA RPN's. Keep in mind, before you beat your head on the wall anymore, that all this has to fit in "YOUR" system. If you can't control it or work on controling it, it probably is outside your system. :smokin:
Gone through the blog, and I am not really in agreement with the reasoning in general on indirect aspects.

Taking Energy as an example, in the USA you can opt to buy energy from CO2 neutral sources such as Nuclear, Geothermal or Solar Sources (including Hydroelectric and Wind), which even though more expensive, is a remedy for the emission, so yes... you can do something about it. It this is an expensive solution then at least try to offset this by planting some trees... so there again... you can do something about it!

Saying that nothing can be done unless you pull the plug (which is generally not an option if you want to remain in business) is an excuse in my opinion!

As an external auditor, I would pick on a customer who reasons in this manner!

From MALTA (Europe)
 

harry

Super Moderator
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Re: ISO 14001 Aspect and Impact Assessment - Direct and Indirect Environmental Impact

Gone through the blog, and I am not really in agreement with the reasoning in general on indirect aspects.....................................................................
Welcome to the Cove.

Good points but also bear in mind that this thread dates back to 2002. A lot had changed since then (including ISO 14001: 2004).
 
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samsung

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Re: ISO 14001 Aspect and Impact Assessment - Direct and Indirect Environmental Impact

Gone through the blog, and I am not really in agreement with the reasoning in general on indirect aspects.

Taking Energy as an example, in the USA you can opt to buy energy from CO2 neutral sources such as Nuclear, Geothermal or Solar Sources (including Hydroelectric and Wind), which even though more expensive, is a remedy for the emission, so yes... you can do something about it. If this is an expensive solution then at least try to offset this by planting some trees... so there again... you can do something about it!

Saying that nothing can be done unless you pull the plug (which is generally not an option if you want to remain in business) is an excuse in my opinion!

As an external auditor, I would pick on a customer who reasons in this manner!

From MALTA (Europe)
Going back to Randy Stewart's post you referred, there are two points that I would like to highlight, first the standard is very much explicit in its requirements w.r.t identifying environmental aspects, i.e.
a) "to identify the environmental aspects of its activities, products and services within the defined scope of the environmental management system that it can control and those that it can influence...."

So, anything that falls outside the scope of the EMS, may not necessarily be identified or taken into account.

It further states that only the significant environmental aspects are taken into account while establishing the EMS, setting policies, objectives, allocation of resources and all other associated things for that matter. It also implies that if any of the identified aspects is significant (either direct or indirect), it must form part of your EMS and accordingly there must be some controls in place. If you can't control the impacts, it isn't significant for you. The one who can control it should consider it significant at the first place. And if someone else has already considered it significant and subsequently controlled it, the question is - why should you or me now bother about it?

Secondly, as far as carbon offsetting goes, I don't think tree plantation is a supportive solution especially looking at the huge volume of CO2 emitted in power generation and the volume of CO2 that can be offset by trees given the fact that a mature tree, on an average, can absorb just 1 - 1.5 tonnes of CO2 during it's entire life span (say 40 - 50 years) whereas the conventional coal fired boilers result in emissions of the order of >1000 gm CO2 eq. per kWh of electricity. However, the generating station can well control it by, e.g. switching over to biomass or other renewable energy sources.

Just a food for thought.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
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Re: ISO 14001 Aspect and Impact Assessment - Direct and Indirect Environmental Impact

As an external auditor, I would pick on a customer who reasons in this manner!

From MALTA (Europe)
You would pick on the customer if you were an external auditor? Then you have absolutley no business in the field of auditing and I would either report you if I was the customer and ask that you be disciplined or if you were working with me on a team I would send you home and file a complaint on your lack of ethical conduct and disregard for objectivity and impartiality.

You statement about purchasing power in the US though it bears merit displays a lack of reality. Power in the US is distributed in a common grid so all you really accomplish is picking who you directly pay and not who directly generates your electricity.
 
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