ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Implement both or only one of them?

[printpackmanager]

Re: Multiple registration: ISO 22000 and ISO 9001

We are looking forward to register for both ISO 9001 and ISO 22000.

Since ISO 22000 and ISO 9001 have similarities in the structure, do we integrate the tier 2 documentations? Or do we separate into 2 sets of tier 2 documentations?

You can combine the similarities.
In short 1 Manual for ISO 9001 & 22000 QMS & For Food Safety i.e HACCP 2nd Manual.

 

[John Broomfield]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001:2000 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Our quality management system is based on an ISO 9001:2000, however some of upper management have decided to look into becoming ISO 22000 certified since we store frozen food. Can I implement both system together, or do I abandon the 9001 program, if not the I would assume that one quality manual would be able to cover both standards. Please advise

Use both standards. Continually reduce the cost of meeting customer requirements (beyond food safety) while assuring food safety; great combination!

 

[Vlahov_21]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001:2000 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

But wait a minute, doesn't ISO 22000 already include the requirements of the ISO 9001?

 

[Jen Kirley]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001:2000 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

But wait a minute, doesn't ISO 22000 already include the requirements of the ISO 9001?

It might - I don't have a copy of ISO 22000. In the case of TS 16949, ISO 9001 is embedded and the TS elements just add onto it.

That would be why Sidney advised to integrate them into one set of documents and systems.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001:2000 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

But wait a minute, doesn't ISO 22000 already include the requirements of the ISO 9001?

No, it does not.

 

[Rolf Clasener]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001:2000 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Hello,

My name is Rolf Clasener and I'm an intern at the Graham Packaging Zoetermeer plant.

I was asked to do some research on the EN 15593:2008 ( Packaging - Management of hygiene in the production of packaging for foodstuffs -Requirements ) because the company would like to be registered in ISO 22000 and EN 15593 and is already 9001 registerd.

The customer doesn't require us to achieve EN15593, but it suits the company so well and i was already asked to update the present quality management system and implement documents so that ISO 22000 could be registered. So i also took in account that hygienic aspects should be controlled.

I've got the impression that we are pioneers and I haven't heard of any other company that is EN 15593 registerd. As for me as an intern it is already difficult, but now also no information of experienced people was available.

But now almost six months later


I think we are ready for an audit, i updated the haccp and all the documents in the quality manual ( organisation chart was full with names of employees that do not work here any more) and intergrated all the made concept documents of all the required documents for ISO 22000 ( a seperate food safety policy, apointed a food safety team (and leader), i made a seperate recall and a seperate traceability procedure etc.) and for EN 15593 ( a seperate hygine policy, electronic master knife control, apointed a hygine team (and leader) etc.) And made sure that all the employees use/ follow these ''new'' rules and regulations.

I didn't encounter any problems ( that iso 22000 would not be applicable ) when i made documents for iso 22000 and EN 15593 and I intergrated them in to our 1 ''quality'' manual ( now its actually a quality, food safety and hygine manual)

 

[blueicecube]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001:2000 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Finally! The right thread !

I think Rolf up there posted his reply without completing his whole idea.

Anyway, views, suggestions & advice please :

Get ISO 22000 for Manufacturing side & get ISO 9001 for the balance of the company operation (logistic, sales, etc) with 2 separate cerficates, system & audit.

Shall we or should we not?

Many thanks in advance!

 

[harry]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001:2000 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

If your 'logistic' includes cold room trucks for transporting food, they should be part of your ISO 22000 because logistics is often a critical control point or critical part of your operation.

My opinion is as follows: Have a business system incorporating ISO 22000 (to be certified) and elements of ISO 9001 not covered by ISO 22000 for your other departments like sales. They is no need for another ISO 9001 certification unless required by customers.

 

[frawat]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Hi, returning to this thread after a long time!

It is strange that nobody has mentioned the option of certifying with BRC (now Global Standard), SQF2000, Cook & Thurber GMPs, AIB, etc. In my opinion these standards are quite good ways to integrate the quality management system with HACCP, with an additional plus in that more detailed requirements for pre-requisite programs are explained. You can find these standards in the web.

What to certify for depends of course much on your clients, etc. But a company should develop and integrate its own way of managing its quality and food safety management system (to which we should add food defense), with the objective of always delivering the best quality in a profitable and sustainable way, taking into account all its stakeholders, and continuously improving. Certification may be needed or required, but it should not be the aim of your food quality and safety management system. It is not an end in itself but rather a good consequence of doing things right.

I would still think that you need an overall QMS Manual (which of course needs to include food safety), and then tier 2 manuals for HACCP, GMPs, and other Pre-requisite programs.

I also think that quality issues other than food safety are the real challenge, and that ISO 9001 for quality management is certainly not enough. One should study ISO 9004 (often forgotten) or even other TQM approaches like Six Sigma.

Regards,

Francis

 

[JaneB]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Hi, returning to this thread after a long time!

It is strange that nobody has mentioned the option of certifying with BRC (now Global Standard), SQF2000, Cook & Thurber GMPs, AIB, etc.

There's a plethora of standards in the food safety field, including these you mention, all with somewhat varying histories, backgrounds, slants & proponents for/against.

My empathy is with anyone in the food industry trying to sort out which standards exist, what they are, which covers what, what the pros and cons are, and thus which would be 'best' for them.

I'd still contend that ISO Standards are far more widely understood and known than the rest.