ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Implement both or only one of them?

[blueicecube]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

I am quite overwhelmed knowing there are THAT many standards around in food. Alas, food is a basic necessesity, hence its not surprising that so is the case.

In addition to JaneB reply, I would also like to add : ISO training/information are more spread throughout the world and so does their certification body. Not to mention, lack of expertise in certain region of the world to do so....

Improvement oh improvement, I call upon you.. ;-)

 

[frawat]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

I'd still contend that ISO Standards are far more widely understood and known than the rest.

I really like ISO standards and try to use them as much as possible. However, my perception is that, in the food industry, customers (or buyers) value most more detailed standards, like BRC, etc. In fact, these standards are usually an essential requirement while ISO standards may be rather optional. Maybe this could change. But the trend is to have more and more integrated standards (comprising both management and more technical requirements), so gradually all are getting more similar.

Of course ISO 22000 is sort of another thing because it tackles just food safety. Also, by itself is not enough. Not only because of other quality issues, but because if your company is not too experienced or young, there is no detailed guidance to implement pre-requisite programs, etc.

 

[tsmith7858]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

The ISO 22000 standard is fairly new compared to many of the others. Most of the others were developed because there was a lack of a food safety standard and each country or company started to create their own. That means each country/company has a tie to it and therefore thinks what they have is the best.

Once you sort through them as Jane suggests you will start to see common threads.

Best bet is to put in a solid Food Safety System and forget about names.
The different names are just a way for CBs to make more money...

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

The different names are just a way for CBs to make more money...

Keep in mind that the CB's are not responsible for the myriad of competing standards and schemes. CB's provide a way for organizations that have to demonstrate conformity to a standard.

Actually, the diversity of food safety related standards and the associated auditor qualification requirements make it for a very difficult and costly auditor competence management process.

If the Food & Beverage Sector could coalesce around an universal set of Food Safety Standards, which would also be endorsed by regulatory bodies, we would all benefit.

 

[JaneB]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Keep in mind that the CB's are not responsible for the myriad of competing standards and schemes. CB's provide a way for organizations that have to demonstrate conformity to a standard.

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Let's not assign blame where it doesn't belong, but lay the responsibility at the feet of those it belongs to: all the different organisations and bodies and associations that each decided they needed their own special standard / system/ scheme, whatever! And that's notthe CBs!

As Sidney says, it's difficult and costly for the various CBs to deal with, also. THere's a good reason why having a single jointly agreed Standard (eg, ISO) faciliates a whole lot of things.

If the Food & Beverage Sector could coalesce around an universal set of Food Safety Standards, which would also be endorsed by regulatory bodies, we would all benefit.

Amen to that.

 

[Tony C]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Our quality management system is based on an ISO 9001:2000, however some of upper management have decided to look into becoming ISO 22000 certified since we store frozen food. Can I implement both system together, or do I abandon the 9001 program, if not the I would assume that one quality manual would be able to cover both standards. Please advise

Of the food safety standards available ISO 22000 will be the easiest to integrate into your current management system. ISO 22000 is a little weak in the area of prerequisite requirements. For peace of mind and in order develop a comprehensive system you should consider prerequisites requirements from other sources such as CODEX/PAS220 etc.

Regards,

Tony

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

ISO 22000 is a little weak in the area of prerequisite requirements. For peace of mind and in order develop a comprehensive system you should consider prerequisites requirements from other sources such as CODEX/PAS220 etc.

Isn't that exactly what FSSC 22000 aims at?

 

[Tony C]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Isn't that exactly what FSSC 22000 aims at?

It is but I was answering Damon's question and would suggest a bit OTT for frozen food storage.

From the FSSC website:

The Foundation developed FSSC 22000, the ISO 22000 and PAS 220 based certification scheme for certification of food manufacturers.

Regards,

Tony

 

[JaneB]

Re: ISO 22000 combined with ISO 9001 - Do both or only 1 of the two?

Of the food safety standards available ISO 22000 will be the easiest to integrate into your current management system. ISO 22000 is a little weak in the area of prerequisite requirements. For peace of mind and in order develop a comprehensive system you should consider prerequisites requirements from other sources such as CODEX/PAS220 etc.

Yes, me too. My preference would be for ISO 22000 (because it's a good management system standard, and as you say, good to integrate), and then consider other more detailed requirements as well, & if necessary.

 

[mliburd]

We are currently implementing ISO 22000. 22000 covers most of ISO 9001 but not all requirements. So you will still need to maintain both as individual systems.