ISO 27001:2013 - How to document Context Of the Organization

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With regards to the current topic, the topic starter intimated that top management has no intention on rethinking the scope regardless of the output of the determination of internal and external issues. For me that's somewhat a myopic point of view if risks to the CIA of information assets needs to be managed in a structured manner by looking at the exposures from a 360-degree perspective.
Ah, but there COULD be good reasons, initially, couldn't there? Taking a simple statement, from one person - who has not stated THEIR motivations - as a condemnation of managements' support or commitment is dangerous, don't you think?
 
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Truth be told, it is a nice and easy way to start implementing the ISMS, both in efforts and $$$, but should not be an end. Once must not get to comfy with such a limited scope.
Thanks, Richard, for clarifying how wide-spread the practice is. I wonder if at the end of the certification process, the ISO 27001 certificate CLEARLY indicates that ONLY the IT department was certified. Failure to do so would be a violation of proper certification protocol.

Apparently there are class action lawsuits from Sony Pictures employees alleging negligence. I wonder if one of these days, misled parties will also sue registrars that minimize their involvement in a certification program to make the process cheaper and easier, but fail to accomplish the goal of providing reliable statements about an information security management system.
 

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Ah, but there COULD be good reasons, initially, couldn't there? Taking a simple statement, from one person - who has not stated THEIR motivations - as a condemnation of managements' support or commitment is dangerous, don't you think?
You are correct Andy N.

Initially, management can try to "test the water" with a limited scope. It worked with ISO/IEC 27001:2005 as that standard was poorly written in relation to determining the scope. When ISO/IEC 27001:2013 arrived, the requirements for determining the scope became more detailed than the previous version.

Stating upfront that management does not want to change the scope is, IMHO, akin to refusing to step out of the box to look at things which could do more benefit to the organization.

My suggestion is go thru the "new" shall requirements; re-assess the limits and boundaries of the ISMS by looking at the issues, both internal and external; and then come to a decision.

But deciding on staying put without going through the thought process seems a bit wonky.

Happy New Year everyone!

Richard
 

Richard Regalado

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Thanks, Richard, for clarifying how wide-spread the practice is. I wonder if at the end of the certification process, the ISO 27001 certificate CLEARLY indicates that ONLY the IT department was certified. Failure to do so would be a violation of proper certification protocol.

In fairness Reg, I have not yet seen any misrepresented ISO certificate of the organizations certified to ISO/IEC 27001 with a limited scope.
 
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