Trolle said:
Well what happens is basically this. They receive, from their supplier ready made mixes in containers that they fill up mostly with water but on occasion, yes also with other chemicals.
This they have done fore years without customer complaints, (almost). Now I’d like to see tests being done here but I don’t think the manager will concur. Its been working fine so far has it not? And why change a working formula just for the sake of change? The function of the product is validated. They do visual control. Such controls are not subject to 7.6.
Although I’m not altogether sure I want to buy this line of thought and I suspect nor will the registrar. However the manager is the boss. I’d much appreciate any good arguments that would serve him.
Cheers!
Unfortunately ignorance truly is not bliss! Just because you've "almost" not had any customer complaints, does not alleviate your responsibility for ensuring that the product you provide meets customer requirements.
Additionally, when you do receive customer complaints: What actions are taken to ensure that these nonconformities never recur? Do you not address the lack of proper measuring standards at that time?
I can't even believe that visual confirmation will suffice for compliance to 8.2.4 (especially paragraph 2 "
Evidence of conformity with the acceptance criteria shall be maintained." [emphasis mine] In many processes visual confirmation would be perfectly adequate, but I believe that this would be a hard sell when it comes to mixing chemicals (unless you are mixing to a color comparison chart or something similar, but even that seems iffy).
The impression that I'm getting is that your company is wanting to receive the perceived benefits of ISO certification - without expending any additional time, effort, or money to truly ensure the quality of the product. Secondarily, I would think that you would want to base your customer satisfaction measurement on something more concrete than 'we've gone for years without complaint' (in-fact I'm not sure that this would pass as meeting the requirements of 8.4a).
Please believe me that my aim here is NOT to ridicule, but to illustrate some of the perceptions that your ISO assessors may come away with.