ISO 9001:2000 Internal Auditor System and Preparation - Schedule, Check Lists, etc.

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energy

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Jim Wade said:

Then it will be for me - and I'm sure I talk for many others - a pleasure deferred.

rgsds Jim
Like a moth to the flame, I'm drawn. Fly in and out when the opportunity presents itself. After all, how can I stay sharp if I don't keep up with the recent posts?:vfunny:

Jim, Defer this!:p :ko: :smokin:
 
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energy said:
Like a moth to the flame, I'm drawn. Fly in and out when the opportunity presents itself. After all, how can I stay sharp if I don't keep up with the recent posts?:vfunny:

Jim, Defer this!:p :ko: :smokin:
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Energy,

My chuckles when reading posts are down 20% over the last few days. I think it correlates well with your reduction in posts. That's bad for me. When I don't laugh I often cry (especially today -- what a day of screw-ups), so don't be too long between fly-ins!

P.S. I think it might be adversely affecting a few of the other guys, too, from some of the posts I've seen!

Mike S.:bonk:
 
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energy

#23
Both ways?

Jim,

Could it just be that their registrar is of the type you often rant about being "for sale" or "just interested in keeping the client"? It seems that as long as it fits your philosophy, the registrar's integrity doesn't even figure into the equation. Tsk Tsk. Shame.
Have a sparkling weekend, Bubba.:p :ko: :smokin:
 
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energy

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Re: Re: Both ways?

Jim Wade said:

Many companies, their senior employees, 'consultants' - and the registrars - are playing games to one degree or other just to get and keep a badge on the wall. You may know of such organisations.

Hey, that might be us

I think they are acting with integrity and I think that those that connive with the approach of "it's all about certification" are not acting with integrity

Hey, are you talking about my boss?

JMHO - shared by only a growing few - clearly not by you :(

Hey, I just work here!


rgds Jim
Jim,

Most of us, I assume, are not self employed and do not have the options of chasing dreams. Like, get me certified or get out. You call it playing games. I say it isn't playing at all. It's more like
Survival .

I think that when you make a lot of these lofty, idealistic posts, being self employed, you forget that many do not have those choices. Their choice is clear. If you don't like it here, hit the street. There are a lot of things in this world we would all like to see better. It's just a matter of (what it should be) vs. (what it is.)

And I still maintain that you should have a problem getting certified to ISO 9001:2000 when doing away with Internal Auditing unless there is collusion of some sorts between the Client and the registrar.JMHO:p

Now today is absolutely beautiful. I'll probably take a rake to Mother Earth's back, later on. See y'all later
:smokin:
 
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Al Dyer

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Again I apologize,

All of these "quality", "production", "manufacturing", or whatever are a compilation of United Nations Edicts that propose that all companies have the same basic system in place so they are in the position of being taken over with minimal effort!

By Who??? Anybody with a minimal education knows!

Remember Ayn Rand!

Why does Germany (Diamler) now own Chrysler?

Why are all the standards based on ISO (U.N. Edict)

Why are companies allowed to give QS-9000 registration but not TS???

Has anybody really talked to a big 3 rep and received a real answer? F### no.

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I'm now a man of few means and less work, but I still think we all know what is going on!!!!!!
 
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Audit schedules

First, sorry for the delay in my reply. this has been a very busy month for me, and June is also quite full. I'm not sure how often I will be able to post.

In my 5 minute scenario, the auditors and the auditees knew well in advance that the audit was going to occur, let's use on Thursday. The problem is the auditors have regular assigned jobs and cannot take time off to prepare. The have a checklist (like the QSA), but nothing related to the organizational documentation. They have 5 minutes to read the procedures for the departments they are auditing. The feeling is that 5 minutes is all they need to understand the procedures and they are expected to come up with audit questions on the fly.:eek:
 
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WALLACE

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Good one Al.

Al wrote

All of these "quality", "production", "manufacturing", or whatever are a compilation of United Nations Edicts that propose that all companies have the same basic system in place so they are in the position of being taken over with minimal effort!
Good one Al, I don't believe however that your esoteric take (Which, I agree with) will go down well yet, We travel on the same road and come from the same direction.
Here's a question for you, Do Auditors assess or do Assessors audit?
Wallace.
 

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#28
Prep is important and can be done impartially

I provide a list of current documents (specs, work instructions, SOPs, and forms) associated with the process, a process control plan, as well as a copy of the last audit report and RCAs.

Our internal auditors are trained to spend about 30 mins to read through a sampling of the documents and they are responsible for creating an objective checklist. The auditor is also tasked to ensure that previous RCA corrective action measures are still in place and have proven effective in the long run.

Our auditors are teamed up to combine technical expertise to make sure we cover all the bases effectively. Previously we would have one auditor for most audits. Now we use 4-5 of our 7 available auditors for each audit and audit by processes.
 
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Re: Audit schedules

db said:

First, sorry for the delay in my reply. this has been a very busy month for me, and June is also quite full. I'm not sure how often I will be able to post.

In my 5 minute scenario, the auditors and the auditees knew well in advance that the audit was going to occur, let's use on Thursday. The problem is the auditors have regular assigned jobs and cannot take time off to prepare. The have a checklist (like the QSA), but nothing related to the organizational documentation. They have 5 minutes to read the procedures for the departments they are auditing. The feeling is that 5 minutes is all they need to understand the procedures and they are expected to come up with audit questions on the fly.:eek:
No worries about the delay db... That happens to all of us.

Anyway, what you describe sounds pretty much like mission impossible. Have the external auditors ever noticed that fact? I imagine they would have a field day if they did?

/Claes
 
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Ted Black

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No Audits????

Jim said: BUT - you can meet those requirements without doing audits - just normal management/project reviews (plus process improvement activities and a simple desk check for the shalls) does the trick.

Jim,
I am intrigued about the concept of no audits however, I'm having trouble understanding how the "audit" system would look and operate as you describe. Would department managers need to keep records of process reviews that they did and any actions taken? Would the actions need to be handled as a corrective or preventative action? What exactly are "management/project reviews" and "process improvement activities" in your opinion?
I understand the desktop review but I can't get my head around the idea of having the managers do the "process audits".
Can you clarify?:confused:
 
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