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ISO 9001:2000 transition - Document and Process Discussion

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CliffK

#71
I think AndyN's main point got lost in the is-a-process/is-not-a-process discussion.

The big 6 are activities that many companies do not do very well and that many managers would like to avoid. In its wisdom, therefore, the TC has mandated a control measure (documented procedures) for these six activities/procedures/tasks/systems/whatever.

Also, sometimes managers can ignore the big 6 because employees have been taking care of business. For example, the manager may think document control is not an issue because the informal methods used by his employees have been effective. The problem, of course, is that the system is not robust. So, if the one guy that has been making document control work gets run over by a beer truck, things go down hill fast.

In a sense, the big 6 are a somewhat like a colonoscopy:
1. Nobody wants to have one.
2. Some people never have one and yet live a long and happy life.
3. A problem in that area can cause real harm eventually, so prudent people have it done.
 
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Gary E MacLean

#72
In a sense, the big 6 are a somewhat like a colonoscopy:
1. Nobody wants to have one.
2. Some people never have one and yet live a long and happy life.
3. A problem in that area can cause real harm eventually, so prudent people have it done.

Ewwww, Gawwwd; very apropo however disgusting analogy. Good way to get our attention Cliff - Hey, can I drop over some time? Always wanted to say that.
 

Stijloor

Staff member
Super Moderator
#75
can i got some procedure documents for reference?
thanks everybody
Hello cnjerryli,

Welcome to The Cove!

Can you tell us a little bit more about the processes for which you would like to see documented (sample) procedures? This Forum represents a wide variety of organizations from around the globe. Be specific, and we'll be able to help you.

Stijloor.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#76
Re: ISO 9002:1994 to ISO 9001:2000 conversion (transition)

...The mistaken impression that a procedure is only a procedure if it is documented has caused many companies to vastly over document and complicate their systems.
I agree. A procedure is a method to perform a certain activity or process. Sometimes the procedure (method) is very clear to everyone and does not need to be documented. Other times, a company would benefit from writing it down and controlling it. ISO and TS allow the company a great deal of leeway to decide which ones need documenting.

But, please, let the need dictate which get docuemnted, some some arbitrary rule or goal. If you need it, document it, If not, don't bother.
 
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cnjerryli

#77
Welcome Jerry.

Do you mean examples of ISO 9001 procedures?

Have a look at this


Hello cnjerryli,

Welcome to The Cove!

Can you tell us a little bit more about the processes for which you would like to see documented (sample) procedures? This Forum represents a wide variety of organizations from around the globe. Be specific, and we'll be able to help you.

Stijloor.
thanks very much, I need the morintoring and measurment procedure for a
bag production factory.

thanks for your kind help.

regards glade to meet your guys here,
 

Stijloor

Staff member
Super Moderator
#78
thanks very much, I need the monitoring and measurement procedure for a bag production factory.

thanks for your kind help.

regards glad to meet your guys here,
Hello cnjerryli,

You're very welcome.

"Monitoring and measurement" in a production factory usually means "inspection and test" of product. I did a search here at The Cove in the "Post Attachment List" on the word "inspection." The link is here: http://elsmar.com/Forums/fileslist.php?mode=allfiles&sortby=filename&pageamt=2&criteria=Inspection

Please note that not all documents will be applicable to you. You have to kind of "pick and choose" for relevant examples. It may be a good start to look at these examples.

I'm sure you will get responses from others here at The Cove.

Stijloor.
 
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CliffK

#79
Cnjerryli,

Are people doing the inspection and test work now?

Are the results satisfactory?

If the answer is yes, then why do they need a documented procedure?

If the answer is no, why don't you find out the root cause? Your time will be much better spent than it would be if you write a document "just because."

It's probably NOT because there is no documented procedure. But if it is, then write one. Otherwise, fix the real cause.

Sorry if I seem grumpy. Over-documented systems are a hot button with me. They're a waste of time and a distraction. Might as well try to row a battleship.

Cliff Kachinske
 
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